Topic: Africa vs Europe
+Anonymous A — 5 months ago #67,854
The only technological difference between Africa and Europe when Africa was colonized was that Europe had gunpowder, except they didn’t invent it, it came from China. All the technological innovations we associate with the west were developed after Europeans plundered Africa of its wealth. The lack of industrial inventions in Africa is only evidence of the extent of Europe’s exploitation of Africa.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5 months ago, 5 minutes later[T] [B] #672,716
North African empires also conquered Europe before Europe conquered Africa. Carthage invaded by what’s now modern day Spain, and what’s now modern day Spain also used to be controlled by an Islamic caliphate. Both of which happened before Europeans invaded and enslaved Africans. Africans colonized Europe first, but the history books never start with that.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #672,717
If you look into it, the Roman Empire was nearly defeated by Hannibal when he invaded Italy. The last 2,000 years of history could have just as easily gone the other way.
+Anonymous B — 5 months ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #672,724
What wealth and knowledge has Sub-Saharan Africa ever contained?
+Anonymous C — 5 months ago, 11 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[T] [B] #672,748
@previous (B)
Don’t ask stupid questions. Europe wouldn’t have colonized a place that didn’t have anything valuable to exploit.
·Anonymous B — 5 months ago, 14 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,828
@previous (C)
Europeans colonized Sub-Saharan Africa because they felt sorry for them. The White man's burden. Ever thought about, huh?
+Anonymous D — 5 months ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,841
@previous (B)
That’s the most mentally retarded shit I’ve ever heard.
·Anonymous D — 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,842
I guess Osama Bin Laden just felt sorry for America, or something. Best excuse ever, wow. How many brain cells did it take you to come up with that? 5?
+Anonymous E — 5 months ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,846
OBL used direct, overt terrorism for fanatical revenge but the royal trade companies building castles to breed people on the 'slave coast's for export was a matter of economic colonization different from the genocidal kind that only allows for forced assimilation. Equitable integration can't happen when people are viewed only as an expendable resource or commodity.
+Anonymous F — 5 months ago, 53 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,850
@previous (E)
True… although OBL killed significantly fewer people than the British empire.
·Anonymous F — 5 months ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,851
If you count how many native Americans died after the columbian exchange, how many Indians died from famine, and how many people were killed by Europeans in Africa, it’s not an exaggeration to say that the total death toll from European colonization was in the hundreds of millions. For example, before Columbus discovered America, the native population of the Americas was between 60 to 75 million people, and around 90% of the population died from disease. Which means approximately 50 to 70 million people died. But that’s just north and South America, it’s hard to do a total count of the entire planet, but it’s not really a thing that can be salvaged really. People try and spin it into something good because they don’t like how bad it looks but it just doesn’t work.
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·Anonymous E — 5 months ago, 42 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,852
@672,850 (F)
OBL was a reaction to and consequence of imperilism but his provocation and responses to it were self-defeating. Empyres depend on tyrnny which tends toward expansionism, but overextension and internal tensions shorten empire's lifespan. A contraction of one can mean the temporary growth of another but empire never lasts.
+Anonymous G — 5 months ago, 48 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #672,854
@previous (E)
> empire never lasts.
It would be nice if humanity would learn from this and stop trying it instead of repeating it every generation like some kind of sadistic sisyphean task.
+Anonymous H — 5 months ago, 10 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #672,897
@previous (G)
Good analogy. I used to be perplexed at so much evil carried out by nominal Christians who act contrary to Christ until I realized they just don't care. The warning against empire is a consistent theme of Scripture and the point of the last book. I never thought I'd see emperor worship in my lifetime, but then when the Berlin Wall was crumbling I never imagined our allies becoming our enemies and new walls being built.
+Anonymous I — 5 months ago, 12 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #672,935
@previous (H)
Most aspects of success and normalcy in society are fake. There’s nothing special about America that makes it impossible for society to go wrong the way it went wrong in other places. It’s the same way with countries as it is with people. Individual people think they’re special because they’re rich and powerful, and they think they’re all that, then one day poof, they don’t exist anymore. There’s nothing that ever happened once in the history of the world that can’t happen twice.
·Anonymous I — 5 months ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #672,936
Sometimes humans do make progress. For example, in World War Two, humans tried nukes out, and then everybody collectively decided that was a bad idea and we’d never do that again. And now the last of those people who were babies back then are about to die in the next decade and somebody somewhere will have to re-learn that. So far Americans have already forgotten than Nazism is bad, so who knows?
+Anonymous J — 5 months ago, 11 hours later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #672,964
@672,935 (I)
> There’s nothing special about America that makes it impossible for society to go wrong the way it went wrong in other places.
There is one remarkable distinction between America and the places where descendants of relatively recent immigrants came from; there are survivors of what was nearly the most successful genocide ever. This country became a melting pot genetically but it's richness lies in being a cultural mosaic/a pluralist society. I just heard a rich influencer of Italian and Irish descent say it's okay for Poland to want to be white and China to be Chinese (as if it's a monolith) in the context of keeping America "American". The difference lies in the ability of the poor to survive. In resiliency is the reminder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rB6_s8y11w +Anonymous K — 5 months ago, 17 hours later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,007
@previous (J)
It’s a bit ironic since in WWII German white supremacists weren’t really on board with the existence of a Polish nation. They kinda completely flattened Warsaw. (Yet white nationalists have the audacity say brown people are destroying Europe like they’ve never seen a picture of Poland after WWII.)
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+Anonymous L — 5 months ago, 9 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,008
Niggers are bad news. Kill niggers.
·Anonymous K — 5 months ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,009
At least I think in America, white people can get this idea that "whiteness" is a real thing, because in America most white people all speak English and all have the same culture. But if you’re actually in Europe, the idea that all Europeans with their different languages and hundreds of years of history of various wars and grievances against each other could all just magically get along if all the brown people left and could all just identify as "white" is a little bit silly. White German and white Polish or White Russian will never be the same. Being white isn’t really an identity… the same way being black isn’t really an identity. Some white people will act like blacks must be self hating because there are wars in Africa, but ignore that being black isn’t actually a real cultural identity. If two ethnic groups are at war in Africa is probably because they see themselves as different nations. The problem with race based ideology is that race isn’t real, but culture is real, and an ideology based on racism will devolve into nationalism, and nations are defined by cultures, not races, so you’ll just end up going to war with your own race. In WWII Germany was mostly killing white Europeans and Japan was mostly killing Asians. In a way it’s nice, because it means that ideology will inevitably fail 100% of the time, but the suffering that happens in the middle is the issue. If you think about it, Aryan isn't even a real race. That’s why the Japanese could be honorary Aryan, because the whole thing was made up out of thin air.
+Anonymous M — 5 months ago, 4 hours later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,035
@673,008 (L)
feed all those starving africans by letting them eat nigger
+Anonymous N — 5 months ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,048
@673,009 (K)
> ideology will inevitably fail 100% of the time, but the suffering that happens in the middle is the issue.
Indeed. At least modern communication will expedite the political suicide of the imperialist wing of maga precisely because of their dismissiveness/ indifference to the suffering they're causing. The end of their alternate reality would mean peace and stability but 'flooding the zone' keeps the cult agitated, which is deleterious to their health and can be fatal, but so goes the cult.
·Anonymous N — 5 months ago, 5 hours later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,057
@previous (N)
Also the electorate doesn't support threatening to invade other countries, further fracturing already shaky 'alliances'. The "bad neighbor" argument is nonsense, the US has trade deficits cos it's the largest consumer. Trade war means economic contraction (recession/depression) high unemployment and hyperinflation for the US so it won't work out too well for maga come midterms.
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+Anonymous O — 5 months ago, 6 hours later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,067
@previous (N)
I’m actually planning on leaving the United States right around the midterms.
+Anonymous P — 5 months ago, 24 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #673,068
@previous (O)
I understand. It's not safe with the unqualified running everything. The Signal chat text scandal reveals the level of idiocracy we're in. Security clearances have been revoked for less.