Topic: Ideology
+Anonymous A — 9 months ago #67,204
I’ve never wanted to be in the military and I still don’t. I was talking to some guy who’s the same age as me a few weeks ago on eneraldchat who said he voted for Trump because he blames Biden for the recruitment rules. Apparently, he’s a Jew and he had men in his family who were in the military so he always wanted to be a marine but he didn’t qualify because he’s autistic and his parents never told him so the military blamed him for lying on a form or something. And his father was saying, "If America won’t let you fight then fight for Israel." And he was saying how he doesn’t have a problem with Zionism but Israel isn’t his country and he’s in college and he hates it.
But I was just thinking about myself in contrast to that guy. I’m completely different in terms of my desires and my ideology. I tend to be left leaning I guess, but at the same time, I’m not very ideologically committed to anything or very certain of any of my beliefs. There is no belief I hold so strongly I would die for it. I guess the belief I’m the most certain of is probably my belief in God. I don’t go to church. So anything else I believe in, I believe in less than a guy who doesn’t go to church believes in God.
But I was just thinking about myself in contrast to that guy. I’m completely different in terms of my desires and my ideology. I tend to be left leaning I guess, but at the same time, I’m not very ideologically committed to anything or very certain of any of my beliefs. There is no belief I hold so strongly I would die for it. I guess the belief I’m the most certain of is probably my belief in God. I don’t go to church. So anything else I believe in, I believe in less than a guy who doesn’t go to church believes in God.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 10 minutes later[T] [B] #667,996
There’s this one comedian Tim Dillon. I don’t necessarily agree with his politics but he’s funny. He said something about Kamala Harris that, "The republicans took my advice. They were saying that Kamala is a communist because her dad was a communist. I said that wouldn’t work, she’s not a communist. I know people who are communist. They’re wrong, but they do have values and beliefs. She doesn’t believe in anything. So they dropped that and said she has no policies."
And I thought about it, why is having values considered to be a good thing? Like why would you want a leader who has values and who has an ideology instead of a leader who believes in nothing and does whatever works regardless of whether anyone’s likes it? It would be better to have a government where people just do whatever works for the country and don’t involve morality or made up ideas about principles that have to be followed even if they don’t work. He said it like it’s a bad thing, but I feel like maybe that’s actually a good quality for somebody to have.
And I thought about it, why is having values considered to be a good thing? Like why would you want a leader who has values and who has an ideology instead of a leader who believes in nothing and does whatever works regardless of whether anyone’s likes it? It would be better to have a government where people just do whatever works for the country and don’t involve morality or made up ideas about principles that have to be followed even if they don’t work. He said it like it’s a bad thing, but I feel like maybe that’s actually a good quality for somebody to have.
+Anonymous B — 9 months ago, 2 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #667,997
@OP> There is no belief I hold so strongly I would die for it.
Trust me on this. Sex and more sex. Me? No want to live, if Sexual wonderful, is not in it.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 3 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #667,998
Honestly my belief in God is probably only the strongest belief that I have because my doubt that God doesn’t exist prevents me from killing people who I don’t like because I’m afraid of going to hell by the off chance that God does exist. Otherwise, there are some ideologies I hate, but they tend to be relatively socially acceptable. If I ever did conquer the world it would be an ideological rollercoaster for everybody. Really I don’t care if people don’t like me, I just care if they dislike me. Which people use interchangeably like they’re the same thing, but they’re not. It’s the same for ideas. I don’t care if you don’t believe in what I believe in, just don’t believe in its opposition. Lack of belief is fine as long as lack of belief doesn’t become its own belief.
+Anonymous C — 9 months ago, 5 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,000
In the 6 days it took God to create the Cosmos. In one of those days, he made man out of dirt and Eve out of Adams rib.Then he left it up to Incest for humans to multiple.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 4 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,001
@previous (C)
I mean, just because I’m Christian doesn’t mean I take genesis literally, but if all life on Earth came from one single celled organism, and humans eat plants and meat, and plants get their nutrients form the soil, and animals eat plants, then it’s also technically not completely inaccurate that people come from soil and incest.
I mean, just because I’m Christian doesn’t mean I take genesis literally, but if all life on Earth came from one single celled organism, and humans eat plants and meat, and plants get their nutrients form the soil, and animals eat plants, then it’s also technically not completely inaccurate that people come from soil and incest.
·Anonymous B — 9 months ago, 4 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,002
@previous (A)Hummmmm OK so you don't buy Genesis, yet your OK with Mary the mother of Jesus as a Virgin.
This means Jesus had to punch his way out of Mary's Vagina, because she still had her Hymen.
Jesus the son taking his own Moms virginity.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 1 minute later, 32 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,004
I remember one time as a kid, I had a friend who was Muslim and he told me that in Islam they believe that all living things communicate but that humans can’t perceive it, even trees. And at face value the religious belief that trees can talk sounds absurd, until you think about it a little bit more and realize that plants actually do communicate with each other through chemicals in the soil when they’re under stress even though they don’t have brains. So I think I generally have this principle that just because religion says a thing that sounds crazy doesn’t necessarily mean that the truth won’t coincidentally be something that sounds pretty similar to the religious thing that sounds crazy.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,005
@668,002 (B)
I think that Jesus was a real person. The details of his life obviously would have been manipulated over time. Some of the more magical components of Christianity may have been added later to make Christianity more appealing to pagans in the Roman Empire. Although, in order to make Christianity more appealing to pagans, there has to be a Christianity in the first place.
I think that Jesus was a real person. The details of his life obviously would have been manipulated over time. Some of the more magical components of Christianity may have been added later to make Christianity more appealing to pagans in the Roman Empire. Although, in order to make Christianity more appealing to pagans, there has to be a Christianity in the first place.
+Quran — 9 months ago, 1 minute later, 36 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,006
@668,004 (A)
[24:41] Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorifies God, even the birds in their flight formation? Each is familiar with its prayer and its glorification. God is fully aware of what they do.
In contrast, the human being is an exception as clearly this species is the only one being tempted by Satan and his tribe of devils. Satan only promised to misguide the humans and nothing else. Humans have been described in the Quran as transgressing and ignorant (33:72), ungrateful (14:34), and that many of them are not believers.
[24:41] Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorifies God, even the birds in their flight formation? Each is familiar with its prayer and its glorification. God is fully aware of what they do.
In contrast, the human being is an exception as clearly this species is the only one being tempted by Satan and his tribe of devils. Satan only promised to misguide the humans and nothing else. Humans have been described in the Quran as transgressing and ignorant (33:72), ungrateful (14:34), and that many of them are not believers.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 2 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,007
Given the political situation in Israel at the time under Roman occupation, it’s not inconceivable that Jesus could have been a real person. In real life Jews were oppressed by the Romans because the Jews believed in a monotheistic religion with one God that was not compatible with the Roman state religion with many gods where the emperor was considered to be a god. So as an expansionist empire, if you have a minority group that doesn’t believe in the religious justification you use to tell soldiers to go to war, that’s going to be a problem and lead to oppressing that minority group. So it isn’t inconceivable that there were Jews in Israel who were hoping for a savior at that time, and it isn’t inconceivable that there was a Jewish person who attempted to act as that’s savior of the Jewish people and that additional magical elements could have been added later on. But really what a Christian is, is it’s defined as someone who follows Christ. And regardless of whether he walked on water or if his mother was a virgin, I think his message was generally one that I tend to agree with.
·Anon — 9 months ago, 4 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,009
@previous (A)
I liked how he turned his Urine into Wine and fed 1000's with a very few stinky fish.
Even better with all of his powers he could not even get self off of a rotting hunk of wood to save his own life.
"According to historical evidence, people being crucified were typically completely naked, meaning their private parts were not covered; this was part of the humiliation and public display intended by the punishment, with artists often adding a loincloth in depictions to soften the graphic nature of the scene"
So, we have Jesus with all of his Short Cummings in full view as well.
I liked how he turned his Urine into Wine and fed 1000's with a very few stinky fish.
Even better with all of his powers he could not even get self off of a rotting hunk of wood to save his own life.
"According to historical evidence, people being crucified were typically completely naked, meaning their private parts were not covered; this was part of the humiliation and public display intended by the punishment, with artists often adding a loincloth in depictions to soften the graphic nature of the scene"
So, we have Jesus with all of his Short Cummings in full view as well.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 6 minutes later, 50 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,010
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 4 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #668,011
Really, I think that the Bible is neither completely true or completely false. Not everything in the Bible can be understood at face value, but everything in the Bible can’t be completely discounted either.
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+Anonymous E — 9 months ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #668,013
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9 months ago, 1 second later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #668,014
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·Anonymous E — 9 months ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #668,016
@previous (A)
> Although, whether or not Jesus is God, I think it is evident that the universe exists, and if the universe exist, then it exists because of a reason. A reason why would be equivalent to the concept of a creator which is God. I don’t understand God or believe that it is possible to understand God. If the universe is entirely created by God and the universe is infinite, God would be equally everywhere, so it would not be possible to find God more in one place than in another. The same way, a fish in the middle of the Pacific Ocean can’t find where the ocean is, looking for God is a meaningless pursuit. You can only find God if you realize that you can’t find God.
Or perhaps you can only truly find God if you realize one needs to only look within.
> Although, whether or not Jesus is God, I think it is evident that the universe exists, and if the universe exist, then it exists because of a reason. A reason why would be equivalent to the concept of a creator which is God. I don’t understand God or believe that it is possible to understand God. If the universe is entirely created by God and the universe is infinite, God would be equally everywhere, so it would not be possible to find God more in one place than in another. The same way, a fish in the middle of the Pacific Ocean can’t find where the ocean is, looking for God is a meaningless pursuit. You can only find God if you realize that you can’t find God.
Or perhaps you can only truly find God if you realize one needs to only look within.
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+Anonymous F — 9 months ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #668,039
Ideology is seldom taken as such by it's subjects, it appears more like common sense or a truth of some sorts that just happens to be ideological
+Anonymous G — 9 months ago, 43 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #668,055
@previous (F)
That’s the annoying thing about it. People just say ideological stuff like it’s common sense and I think up a bunch of reasons why I disagree with it immediately.
That’s the annoying thing about it. People just say ideological stuff like it’s common sense and I think up a bunch of reasons why I disagree with it immediately.
·Anonymous F — 9 months ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #668,057
@previous (G)
Makes sense I suppose. I feel more tormented with it all, I am not a guy with some convenient utopian or even just "pragmatic" solutions to any of the problems that humanity faces. I know I am just as guilty as almost everyone to be ideologically biased in some way. It's not as if this is a bad thing, I think.
Makes sense I suppose. I feel more tormented with it all, I am not a guy with some convenient utopian or even just "pragmatic" solutions to any of the problems that humanity faces. I know I am just as guilty as almost everyone to be ideologically biased in some way. It's not as if this is a bad thing, I think.
·Anonymous G — 9 months ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #668,058
·Anonymous F — 9 months ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #668,059
@previous (G)
lol imagine the slogans.
"We don't really believe we will win, or lose, we don't really believe in democracy but we're doing this so vote for us"
lol imagine the slogans.
"We don't really believe we will win, or lose, we don't really believe in democracy but we're doing this so vote for us"