Notice: Home alone tonight?
Topic: When you like fighting but you’re not evil
+Anonymous A — 10 months ago #66,580
Tbh, this is probably just a "me" problem. Sometimes I can feel self doubt. But there’s this game I play with myself. I noticed when people attack me, I become more confident in self defense in an extreme way, and I love that feeling. But I’m not a psychopath so I can’t hurt people for no reason. So the only way to get that feeling is to appear weak, and then bad people who have a natural inclination towards bullying or towards preying on weakness will try and target me, and then, I don’t feel guilty no matter what I do, so I can do anything, and it makes me feel good.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 10 months ago, 4 minutes later[T] [B] #663,195
Maybe this is stupid, but I feel like it makes me believe in God. Because, I feel this desire to want to fight for something, but also this desire to win in the end. And in life, I don’t get what I want easily, I don’t get lucky the first time, and when I get what I want, I always just barely get it, except I always get it in the end. I feel like it doesn’t make sense I always keep barely winning.
+Anonymous B — 10 months ago, 2 hours later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,206
If you rely on deceptive means you'll never arrive at the truth, only your interpretation of other's reactions. The narcissistic personality does this to keep their host off balance while the parasite feeds, but once the resource is depleted they look for a new host. Lastly, the more one 'plays' devil's advocate the more likely it becomes a permanent disposition.
+Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,207
@previous (B)
Truth isn’t a destination, it’s a starting point.
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,208
@previous (C)
The only thing that matters is using truth to achieve desired outcomes. Truth holds no value by itself unless it is specifically for achieving an end. But that end is not determined by truth, only enabled by it. The fact that a lie may result in a desired outcome itself is a truth. It just depends on how you think about it.
·Anonymous B — 10 months ago, 12 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,209
Truth is the starting point for one in service to truth. Those who are confused but seeking it sincerely, acquiring wisdom along the way, are still serving what they seek yet they don't fully realize it. But to lie is against my nature and the Spirit that was given to me. To think of 'truth' serving me is also foreign, since I'm not seeking my own interests over and above others, but to serve others and ultimately God, even if means just sharing a laugh or two with others on the road.
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,210
@previous (B)
God exists regardless of whether you exist. God doesn’t need us. The truth doesn’t need to be protected. The truth exists regardless of whether we speak it. The purpose of humans is our free will. Truth is not static, that’s why time exists. Something can be true today and false tomorrow or vise versa. You can create genuine truths. Which ones you decide to create is up to you. No one knows the will of God on everything for sure, but if God is al powerful, God could stop any of us. But God doesn’t.
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 14 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,213
@663,209 (B)
> Truth is the starting point for one in service to truth.
Not necessarily the case.
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,215
Really, life can only be lived forwards but only understood backwards. So there’s a conflict between two things: what is possible in the future depends on what is true now, and what one could want is not. So when thinking about an end goal, you have to work the steps out backwards to arrive at a set of truths the possibility of your end goal is dependent on. And either there will be truths that benefit you or there won’t. So it’s perfectly possible to understand the truth, and desire something that’s good, and then have to resort to misrepresenting the truth somewhere along the way to get to that end.
·Anonymous B — 10 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,216
@663,210 (C)
> No one knows the will of God on everything for sure
This is a good point. The Great Mystery is lived in our limited experience here, but I know what has been Revealed and it is the Spirit Who reminds me. This is why I have a problem with so-called prophets and preachers (influencers) who are in the public eye, enriching themselves at the expense of what they claim to be objective truth while they neglect and manipulate their followers to do their bidding. Fear is what keeps their followers 'motivated' and dependent on them. It looks like most of the world is afraid of something or other. It may have something to do with the 'brain rot' I read about in that article in EL PAÍS
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,217
@663,215 (C)
For example, it might be a truth that killing people who did nothing wrong is bad, and other people are bad because they kill people who did nothing wrong. For example, the Nazis in World War Two were bad. Then one might say, "It would be good to stop the people who are killing people who did nothing wrong because we are good people who don’t kill people who did nothing wrong." And then along the way, you realize, that just because the end goal is good, doesn’t mean the current truths align with your desired outcome, and you have to do something bad along the way, and people who did nothing wrong end up dying in the process of trying to create a world where people who did nothing wrong don’t get killed (Dresden, Hiroshima, whatever).
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,218
@previous (C)
And I’m not saying it’s binary, like it’s not the case that it was impossible to avoid doing that, I’m just saying, however difficult coming up with the right solution was, everybody was too lazy to do it.
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,221
@previous (C)
At the very least, I think if you actually want to be perfectly morally correct, you have to be open to the possibility of failure. But most people aren’t, and in their pursuit of success at whatever, they’re going to be presented eventually, with a situation where it’s easier to do the bad thing and win than do the good thing and lose, and most people will choose the bad thing and then defend their decision.
·Anonymous C — 10 months ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #663,224
@previous (C)
Although, I guess willingness to die could be argued to be the ultimate test of faith. If someone is willing to do evil because they’re afraid of death, that might imply they don’t believe in God to the death.