Topic: 250,000 marching in London!
+Anonymous A — 5.2 years ago #57,611
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5.2 years ago, 20 seconds later[T] [B] #599,869
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5.2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #599,873
+Anonymous B — 5.2 years ago, 11 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,006
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5.2 years ago, 54 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,007
·Anonymous B — 5.2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,008
+Anonymous C — 5.2 years ago, 25 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,014
@599,873 (A)
This is an especially funny one. TB is an old virus. And when it was as new as COVID, society was halted for quarantining.
This is an especially funny one. TB is an old virus. And when it was as new as COVID, society was halted for quarantining.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5.2 years ago, 4 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,019
@previous (C)1.4 deaths worldwide from TB 2019.
The 1,8 was an estimate for 2020.
The figures are correct.
TB is the leading infectious disease killer in the world, claiming 1.5 million lives each year.
+ducky !MwWb.dJjRc — 5.2 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,023
was great in toronto yesterdayyttt
·Anonymous C — 5.2 years ago, 55 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,027
@600,019 (A)
You literally just confessed to those values being incorrect. Keep your story straight if you're gonna spread misinformation.
You literally just confessed to those values being incorrect. Keep your story straight if you're gonna spread misinformation.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,028
+Anonymous E — 5.2 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,029
Descriptive Note: Quarantine is a disease control measure that applies to individuals who have been exposed to a communicable disease but are not yet ill. Individuals who are latently infected with TB pose no risk of transmission; therefore, quarantine is not an appropriate disease control measure for TB.
If you have been diagnosed with contagious tuberculosis (TB), your health care provider may tell you that you need to be on home isolation. Home isolation will help stop the spread of TB to others. Young children and people with weak immune systems are at highest risk for getting sick with TB.
If you have been diagnosed with contagious tuberculosis (TB), your health care provider may tell you that you need to be on home isolation. Home isolation will help stop the spread of TB to others. Young children and people with weak immune systems are at highest risk for getting sick with TB.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 5.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,031
·Anonymous E — 5.2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #600,032
@previous (A)
Pointing out that TB is an infection of the lungs. It is a bacteria, not a virus like covid. Covid starts in the nasal passages and moves to the lungs. Mass of mucus infected with covid makes masks necessary. The masks cannot stop the transmission of the virus. Just reduces the amount of gunk carrying the virus from blowing out. Less gunk less chance of transmission.
Pointing out that TB is an infection of the lungs. It is a bacteria, not a virus like covid. Covid starts in the nasal passages and moves to the lungs. Mass of mucus infected with covid makes masks necessary. The masks cannot stop the transmission of the virus. Just reduces the amount of gunk carrying the virus from blowing out. Less gunk less chance of transmission.
·Anonymous B — 5.2 years ago, 16 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #600,085
+Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #600,088
@previous (B)
Surgical mask, also called a face maskThe CDC has admitted that their coronavirus-only fatality numbers are greatly inflated. The CDC published an update (September 1, 2020) that says that only 6% of COVID-19 deaths are due solely to the virus and that in the other 94% cases 1 or more (typically 2 or more) serious underlying health conditions were present. The press is spinning this many ways, but the bottom line is, if you are essentially healthy and do NOT have something like heart disease, diabetes, COPD, pneumonia, etc, then your odds of dying from Coronavirus are miniscule. See a news story here:
As US coronavirus death toll mounts, so does the belief by some that it is exaggerated.
Of course, the mainstream presume positively delights in announcing every COVID-19 fatality they can. You have to read a lot of different sources to discover the facts. The NY Post sais:
On Sept. 22, CNN triumphantly announced that 200,000 people had died from COVID-19 in the United States.
CNN tried various ways of rubbing in the 200,000 figure. Their best effort was an infographic blaring, "US COVID-19 deaths are equal to having the 9/11 attacks every day for 66 days."
Here' s a less biased, but less catchy, comparison:
2020' s attributed COVID-19 deaths were equivalent to having another 2017-2018 flu and pneumonia season boosted by 13 percent.
The British Medical Journal, Lancet, says:
In the first case series of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 from Wuhan, published on Jan 24, underlying comorbidities were reported in 50% of patients (diabetes [20%], hypertension [15%], and cardiovascular disease [15%]). Subsequently, data from 122 653 laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 cases reported to CDC in the USA between Feb 12 and March 28, showed that approximately one third of patients had at least one underlying condition or risk factor, of which diabetes was the most frequently reported (in 10.9% of cases). Moreover, 78% of intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and 94% of deaths (where complete information on underlying conditions or risk factors was available) occurred in those with at least one underlying health condition. More recently, the first report characterising glycaemic control among patients hospitalized with COVID-19 in the USA (1122 patients admitted to 88 US hospitals between March 1 and April 6) showed that approximately 40% had diabetes or uncontrolled hyperglycaemia on admission, and death rates were more than four times higher among those with diabetes or hyperglycaemia (28.8%) than those without either condition (6.2%). From the available evidence, diabetes (or more broadly poor glycaemic control) is clearly one of the most important comorbidities linked to COVID-19 severity and outcomes.
Coronavirus - Actual Risk of Death by Age from the CDCSo, it can be argued that the 94% of the people who had 2 or more underlying medical conditions would have been just fine, if they had not been exposed to Coronavirus. But of course, we don't know if these people would have live one day, one week, one month or one year longer if they had not contracted COVID.
On the other hand, it is also possible that many of these people were not long for this world regardless, and may have been done in by the flu, pneumonia or something else.
It is speculation either way. It's curious how the mass media will only accept the speculation that makes COVID appear worse... and none that downplays the risks. That's not science, that's politics...
If you think this is just EHSO being a Doubting Thomas, Florida Gov. went on Fox & Friends (mid September 2020) and complained that reports of his state's COVID-19 deaths were greatly exaggerated. He used as an example a person from Orlando who had died in a motorcycle crash. DeSantis said the death
"was categorized as a COVID death just because the person had previously tested positive (for COVID). We've had other incidents in which there's no real relationship, and it's been counted. So, we want to look at that and see how pervasive that issue is as well."
In this one case, the local CBS affiliate followed up on this report : The medical examiner responded that, following the motorcycle crash, "the person was subsequently hospitalized for a long period of time, got pneumonia. It happened to be COVID pneumonia, and they died.... In that case, we did [attribute] it to COVID pneumonia."
And other cases reported that no tests for COVID were performed, the doctor or medical examined simply assigned the death to Coronavirus based on a "presumption". In other words, "I'm busy, call it COVID!"
There are many questions yet to be objectively answered:
What role and to what extent did the flu play in these reported coronavirus deaths?
Same for pneumonia and other diseases
How serious were the "2+ comorbidities" in the people who were reported dying from COVID?
What was the expected life expectancy of the people who were reported as dying from COVID, had they not had COVID?
Are there any incentives or motivations (monetary, political, etc( for hospitals, medical examiners, etc. to code a death as a COVID fatality?
Another example is Colorado
The Grand County, Colorado coroner Brenda Bock says of the 5 deaths attributed to COVID-19, 2 were actually people who died from gunshot wounds. We have found almost innumerable similar examples in other states, easily verified. Google it.
A premium paid to hospitals for calling a death "due to Coronavirus"?
While some states, like Minnesota and California, list only laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 diagnoses as COVID-19 deaths, other states, like New York, list all "presumed" cases, which is allowed under guidelines from Dr. Birx and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They do not require a lab test, coding deaths based on presumptions and suspicions.. Why? The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients.
Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minnesota, who is also a physician in Minnesota, said on Laura Ingraham Angle on April 8, 2020 that hospitals get paid more if Medicare patients are listed as having COVID-19 and get 3X times as much money if the patient needs a ventilator.
Dr. Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for - if they're Medicare - typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
Obviously, hospital administrators can pressure physicians to call deaths "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act
Surgical mask, also called a face maskThe CDC has admitted that their coronavirus-only fatality numbers are greatly inflated. The CDC published an update (September 1, 2020) that says that only 6% of COVID-19 deaths are due solely to the virus and that in the other 94% cases 1 or more (typically 2 or more) serious underlying health conditions were present. The press is spinning this many ways, but the bottom line is, if you are essentially healthy and do NOT have something like heart disease, diabetes, COPD, pneumonia, etc, then your odds of dying from Coronavirus are miniscule. See a news story here:
As US coronavirus death toll mounts, so does the belief by some that it is exaggerated.
Of course, the mainstream presume positively delights in announcing every COVID-19 fatality they can. You have to read a lot of different sources to discover the facts. The NY Post sais:
On Sept. 22, CNN triumphantly announced that 200,000 people had died from COVID-19 in the United States.
CNN tried various ways of rubbing in the 200,000 figure. Their best effort was an infographic blaring, "US COVID-19 deaths are equal to having the 9/11 attacks every day for 66 days."
Here' s a less biased, but less catchy, comparison:
2020' s attributed COVID-19 deaths were equivalent to having another 2017-2018 flu and pneumonia season boosted by 13 percent.
The British Medical Journal, Lancet, says:
In the first case series of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 from Wuhan, published on Jan 24, underlying comorbidities were reported in 50% of patients (diabetes [20%], hypertension [15%], and cardiovascular disease [15%]). Subsequently, data from 122 653 laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 cases reported to CDC in the USA between Feb 12 and March 28, showed that approximately one third of patients had at least one underlying condition or risk factor, of which diabetes was the most frequently reported (in 10.9% of cases). Moreover, 78% of intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and 94% of deaths (where complete information on underlying conditions or risk factors was available) occurred in those with at least one underlying health condition. More recently, the first report characterising glycaemic control among patients hospitalized with COVID-19 in the USA (1122 patients admitted to 88 US hospitals between March 1 and April 6) showed that approximately 40% had diabetes or uncontrolled hyperglycaemia on admission, and death rates were more than four times higher among those with diabetes or hyperglycaemia (28.8%) than those without either condition (6.2%). From the available evidence, diabetes (or more broadly poor glycaemic control) is clearly one of the most important comorbidities linked to COVID-19 severity and outcomes.
Coronavirus - Actual Risk of Death by Age from the CDCSo, it can be argued that the 94% of the people who had 2 or more underlying medical conditions would have been just fine, if they had not been exposed to Coronavirus. But of course, we don't know if these people would have live one day, one week, one month or one year longer if they had not contracted COVID.
On the other hand, it is also possible that many of these people were not long for this world regardless, and may have been done in by the flu, pneumonia or something else.
It is speculation either way. It's curious how the mass media will only accept the speculation that makes COVID appear worse... and none that downplays the risks. That's not science, that's politics...
If you think this is just EHSO being a Doubting Thomas, Florida Gov. went on Fox & Friends (mid September 2020) and complained that reports of his state's COVID-19 deaths were greatly exaggerated. He used as an example a person from Orlando who had died in a motorcycle crash. DeSantis said the death
"was categorized as a COVID death just because the person had previously tested positive (for COVID). We've had other incidents in which there's no real relationship, and it's been counted. So, we want to look at that and see how pervasive that issue is as well."
In this one case, the local CBS affiliate followed up on this report : The medical examiner responded that, following the motorcycle crash, "the person was subsequently hospitalized for a long period of time, got pneumonia. It happened to be COVID pneumonia, and they died.... In that case, we did [attribute] it to COVID pneumonia."
And other cases reported that no tests for COVID were performed, the doctor or medical examined simply assigned the death to Coronavirus based on a "presumption". In other words, "I'm busy, call it COVID!"
There are many questions yet to be objectively answered:
What role and to what extent did the flu play in these reported coronavirus deaths?
Same for pneumonia and other diseases
How serious were the "2+ comorbidities" in the people who were reported dying from COVID?
What was the expected life expectancy of the people who were reported as dying from COVID, had they not had COVID?
Are there any incentives or motivations (monetary, political, etc( for hospitals, medical examiners, etc. to code a death as a COVID fatality?
Another example is Colorado
The Grand County, Colorado coroner Brenda Bock says of the 5 deaths attributed to COVID-19, 2 were actually people who died from gunshot wounds. We have found almost innumerable similar examples in other states, easily verified. Google it.
A premium paid to hospitals for calling a death "due to Coronavirus"?
While some states, like Minnesota and California, list only laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 diagnoses as COVID-19 deaths, other states, like New York, list all "presumed" cases, which is allowed under guidelines from Dr. Birx and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They do not require a lab test, coding deaths based on presumptions and suspicions.. Why? The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients.
Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minnesota, who is also a physician in Minnesota, said on Laura Ingraham Angle on April 8, 2020 that hospitals get paid more if Medicare patients are listed as having COVID-19 and get 3X times as much money if the patient needs a ventilator.
Dr. Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for - if they're Medicare - typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
Obviously, hospital administrators can pressure physicians to call deaths "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act
+Anonymous G — 5.1 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #600,089
·Anonymous B — 5.1 years ago, 9 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,105
·Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 41 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,108
·Anonymous B — 5.1 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,114
@previous (F)
Your sources paraphrased data provided by Lancet and the CDC then interpreted it to suit their own narrative. Misinterpreted data does not provide "facts" in any meaningful sense of the word.
RE: The Jensen Interview: did Senator Jansen provide a list of hospitals which were embezzling millions of dollars based on fraudulent diagnoses?
Your sources paraphrased data provided by Lancet and the CDC then interpreted it to suit their own narrative. Misinterpreted data does not provide "facts" in any meaningful sense of the word.
RE: The Jensen Interview: did Senator Jansen provide a list of hospitals which were embezzling millions of dollars based on fraudulent diagnoses?
(Edited 4 minutes later.)
·Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 48 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,116
@previous (B)
I guess Hospitals have been asked if they were defrauding the Federal Government and they said 'No'.
You win.
I guess Hospitals have been asked if they were defrauding the Federal Government and they said 'No'.
You win.
+chill dog !!heHjtrQ7i2 — 5.1 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,117
@600,088 (F)
If covid is such a non-issue, why was your excuse for being jobless that you didn't want to expose your mother to it?
If covid is such a non-issue, why was your excuse for being jobless that you didn't want to expose your mother to it?
·Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,118
·chill dog !!heHjtrQ7i2 — 5.1 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,121
+Anonymous I — 5.1 years ago, 15 hours later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,159
charming well-bred folk to be sure
·Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 20 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,160
@600,121 (chill dog !!heHjtrQ7i2)
I'd prefer not to post it here and have the pos Stalker refer to it every day, Thanks.
But it's fairly serious.
I'd prefer not to post it here and have the pos Stalker refer to it every day, Thanks.
But it's fairly serious.
+Anonymous J — 5.1 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,165
@previous (F)
True that he only knows about her chronic bed sores and dementia. I think you fear people finding about her STD's.
True that he only knows about her chronic bed sores and dementia. I think you fear people finding about her STD's.
·Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,166
·Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 56 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,167
Suck on his shriveled up nuts, Ducky.
+Anonymous K — 5.1 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,170
·Anonymous F — 5.1 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,175
·chill dog !!heHjtrQ7i2 — 5.1 years ago, 9 hours later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,217
@600,166 (F)
I don't think the guy who talks about raping people's std-ridden mothers has any standing to call people unclassy.
I don't think the guy who talks about raping people's std-ridden mothers has any standing to call people unclassy.
+Anonymous L — 5.1 years ago, 5 hours later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #600,222
@600,160 (F)
> I'd prefer not to post it here and have the pos Stalker refer to it every day, Thanks.
>
> But it's fairly serious.
With her sons probing fingers I would think so.
> I'd prefer not to post it here and have the pos Stalker refer to it every day, Thanks.
>
> But it's fairly serious.
With her sons probing fingers I would think so.
+Anonymous M — 5.1 years ago, 4 days later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #600,580
> >1
Is the queen in the crowd? 😄
Is the queen in the crowd? 😄
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