Topic: What are you thoughts on the notion of basic income?
+Anonymous A — 9.3 years ago #47,419
I love the idea but dont think it will work.
+👹 !!CKJaFnHp7 — 9.3 years ago, 1 minute later[T] [B] #513,868
It sounds grate, but wouldn't the prices of everything just shoot up? To me it seems like we'd see a period of rapid inflation if it happened.
Although I'm not a economist, who knows.
Although I'm not a economist, who knows.
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+FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 9.3 years ago, 21 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #513,869
+Anonymous D — 9.3 years ago, 14 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #513,870
@513,868 (👹 !!CKJaFnHp7)
That's sorta what I was thinking but for stuff like alcohol since people like bert would have access to free money (tm). It's well known that the poor have some of the worst spending habits and this would probably only aggravate it.
That's sorta what I was thinking but for stuff like alcohol since people like bert would have access to free money (tm). It's well known that the poor have some of the worst spending habits and this would probably only aggravate it.
·👹 !!CKJaFnHp7 — 9.3 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #513,871
@513,869 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)I don't trust those shifty (((economists))) anyway, but graphs are okay.
@previous (D)
Probably, he reminds me of lab rats taking cocaine until they die.
Extra scratch would just speed up the process.
+Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 9.3 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #513,874
What is "basic income"?
Isn't that just like getting a paycheck from your place of work?
Isn't that just like getting a paycheck from your place of work?
·Anonymous D — 9.3 years ago, 48 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,879
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
The idea is that everyone, regardless of work situation, would receive a minimum stipend of cash that would cover their living expenses in theory.
Opponents argue that this would only lead to a massive dropout of people from the labor force, it would unfairly tax those that still remain in the workforce, and the ones that most benefit from it would squander the money(code for inner city blacks blowing it on liquor.)
Proponents counter that it would lead people to choose the jobs they actually like thus increasing productivity, the taxes would be minuscule you would in theory cut a bulk of existing programs which spend more than BI would cost, and that people would harness the free time into more creative pursuits as their mental potential is freed from drudgery such as working for a living and instead let them focus on curing cancer or something.
I think the latter are extremely optimistic. More than that I find it to be a misguided attempt at solving a lot of issues at once. More so because of the fact that they're trying to implement this sort of utopic socialist idea in a capitalistic world.
The idea is that everyone, regardless of work situation, would receive a minimum stipend of cash that would cover their living expenses in theory.
Opponents argue that this would only lead to a massive dropout of people from the labor force, it would unfairly tax those that still remain in the workforce, and the ones that most benefit from it would squander the money(code for inner city blacks blowing it on liquor.)
Proponents counter that it would lead people to choose the jobs they actually like thus increasing productivity, the taxes would be minuscule you would in theory cut a bulk of existing programs which spend more than BI would cost, and that people would harness the free time into more creative pursuits as their mental potential is freed from drudgery such as working for a living and instead let them focus on curing cancer or something.
I think the latter are extremely optimistic. More than that I find it to be a misguided attempt at solving a lot of issues at once. More so because of the fact that they're trying to implement this sort of utopic socialist idea in a capitalistic world.
+FME !2CQezZ7g6I — 9.3 years ago, 4 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,894
@previous (D)
I agree 💯 with your opinion. It's a nice idea but totally unrealistic. There are so many people who would take advantage of that. Making education free might be a better option.
I agree 💯 with your opinion. It's a nice idea but totally unrealistic. There are so many people who would take advantage of that. Making education free might be a better option.
+Anonymous G — 9.3 years ago, 39 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,896
@OP
Fuck off commie
Fuck off commie
+chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,897
the (small-scale) tests of it have worked out wonderfully
·Catherine🚨 !TGirlYJKXM — 9.3 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,903
@513,879 (D)
Why won't both be true? It would probably work for the first few months it is implemented but the few inner city people would start to abuse it leading to more restrictions as to how much people would receive to where those who don't abuse the law would be hurt by those who do. I'm sure there would be ways of determining how much someone gets much like Welfare and Food Stamps. You don't always get the same amount each time and I say this as someone who's family was qualified for food stamps for some time. I'm surprised Bert isn't on food stamps now. I'm sure for such a system as you describe the person would be required to show bills and rent cost which allows that department to determine how much the person is entitled to or they could just go by annual income of the person. It would still be funny to hear some black woman on the bus complaining that her basic income is getting lower and screaming racism.
Why won't both be true? It would probably work for the first few months it is implemented but the few inner city people would start to abuse it leading to more restrictions as to how much people would receive to where those who don't abuse the law would be hurt by those who do. I'm sure there would be ways of determining how much someone gets much like Welfare and Food Stamps. You don't always get the same amount each time and I say this as someone who's family was qualified for food stamps for some time. I'm surprised Bert isn't on food stamps now. I'm sure for such a system as you describe the person would be required to show bills and rent cost which allows that department to determine how much the person is entitled to or they could just go by annual income of the person. It would still be funny to hear some black woman on the bus complaining that her basic income is getting lower and screaming racism.
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·Anonymous D — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,911
@513,894 (FME !2CQezZ7g6I)
They were trying to make community college free but I highly doubt it was for altruistic reasons.
@513,896 (G)
Embrace the suck fam.
@previous (Catherine🚨 !TGirlYJKXM)
You're right, they can both be right to some degree.
> I'm sure there would be ways of determining how much someone gets much like Welfare and Food Stamps
I thought about this too but would this still be considered basic income? The whole point is that it's a minimum set amount of money needed to survive. Never mind that it costs different to live in a city vs a town and even that makes you wonder but if two people living in the same town get different amount of "basic" income is that fair since hypothetically one could have a better apartment and eat more food etc?
Bert probably isn't on food stamps since he's a single white male. Literally the worst demographic you could be in since food stamps were made for single black mothers in mind.
They were trying to make community college free but I highly doubt it was for altruistic reasons.
@513,896 (G)
Embrace the suck fam.
@previous (Catherine🚨 !TGirlYJKXM)
You're right, they can both be right to some degree.
> I'm sure there would be ways of determining how much someone gets much like Welfare and Food Stamps
I thought about this too but would this still be considered basic income? The whole point is that it's a minimum set amount of money needed to survive. Never mind that it costs different to live in a city vs a town and even that makes you wonder but if two people living in the same town get different amount of "basic" income is that fair since hypothetically one could have a better apartment and eat more food etc?
Bert probably isn't on food stamps since he's a single white male. Literally the worst demographic you could be in since food stamps were made for single black mothers in mind.
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·Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 9.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,912
@previous (D)
It'll be called Basic Income but would more or less just be a Welfare 4 All program. Also, my brother was the one who qualified for food stamps and he was a single white male at the time. This isn't an excuse for Bert.
It'll be called Basic Income but would more or less just be a Welfare 4 All program. Also, my brother was the one who qualified for food stamps and he was a single white male at the time. This isn't an excuse for Bert.
·Anonymous D — 9.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,913
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Well he's homeless too a lot of things require you to have an address. maybe that's it.
Well he's homeless too a lot of things require you to have an address. maybe that's it.
·Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 9.3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,914
@previous (D)
That sounds very likely actually and you know what, fuck it, let's try basic income. We cannot know for sure until we try. Just make sure to have an exit strategy or else nuggets will riot.
That sounds very likely actually and you know what, fuck it, let's try basic income. We cannot know for sure until we try. Just make sure to have an exit strategy or else nuggets will riot.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 9.3 years ago, 4 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,928
@513,912 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
> and he was a single white male at the time
> at the time
what changed? Did he get revitaligo?
> and he was a single white male at the time
> at the time
what changed? Did he get revitaligo?
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·Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 9.3 years ago, 12 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,930
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
No, he just found himself an Asian girlfriend, so therefore he is no longer a single white male and instead became a taken white male.
No, he just found himself an Asian girlfriend, so therefore he is no longer a single white male and instead became a taken white male.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,938
·Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 9.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,939
@previous (A)
He finds Asian women to be attractive. She is kind of childish since she is way younger than he is, but mature mentally enough. It's a good thing since she is a good test of his patience and God knows he needs more of that.
He finds Asian women to be attractive. She is kind of childish since she is way younger than he is, but mature mentally enough. It's a good thing since she is a good test of his patience and God knows he needs more of that.
+Syntax — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,950
@513,897 (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
> the (small-scale) tests of it have worked out wonderfully
Where did this study take place.
Imagine all the slackers - Pot Heads and Alcoholics - Money from my wallet to fund their habbits. Sorry me don't see this about to happen.
> the (small-scale) tests of it have worked out wonderfully
Where did this study take place.
Imagine all the slackers - Pot Heads and Alcoholics - Money from my wallet to fund their habbits. Sorry me don't see this about to happen.
·chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,959
@previous (Syntax)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome
ontario's going to trial it soon in a couple towns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome
ontario's going to trial it soon in a couple towns
·Syntax — 9.3 years ago, 19 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,964
@previous (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
"Results
No final Mincome report was issued, but a federal grant established the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Manitoba in 1981. The Institute developed a machine-readable database of the results of Mincome, leaving the analysis of the experiment to individual academic initiatives."
I could rite a book about why this type of welfare will fail.
"Results
No final Mincome report was issued, but a federal grant established the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Manitoba in 1981. The Institute developed a machine-readable database of the results of Mincome, leaving the analysis of the experiment to individual academic initiatives."
I could rite a book about why this type of welfare will fail.
·Anonymous D — 9.3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,966
@513,959 (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
It was in canada, syntax, in like the 1970's. Freakonomics did a podcast on it. Apparently most of the data of the actual study was so disorganized and all over the place that one of the researchers that went back to look at the town had to go through the healthcare system records rather than the actual data itself to get any sort of conclusion. Apparently from what she found was that people graduated high school at a slightly higher rate(something like 7%) and that there were more stay at home moms. Honestly though, this was when education was getting into full gear. For what cost millions it didn't seem to impressive.
@513,950 (Syntax)
@513,959 (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
They actually did the test in like the 70's in a rural all white town but the results weren't too impressive(see above). The project was halfway abandoned though so I'd be more interested to see a full study in a modern(read minority heavy) area.
It was in canada, syntax, in like the 1970's. Freakonomics did a podcast on it. Apparently most of the data of the actual study was so disorganized and all over the place that one of the researchers that went back to look at the town had to go through the healthcare system records rather than the actual data itself to get any sort of conclusion. Apparently from what she found was that people graduated high school at a slightly higher rate(something like 7%) and that there were more stay at home moms. Honestly though, this was when education was getting into full gear. For what cost millions it didn't seem to impressive.
@513,950 (Syntax)
@513,959 (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
They actually did the test in like the 70's in a rural all white town but the results weren't too impressive(see above). The project was halfway abandoned though so I'd be more interested to see a full study in a modern(read minority heavy) area.
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