Topic: People on welfare or foodstamps (like bert) should be drug tested
+Anonymous A — 9.3 years ago #47,397
Discuss.
+Anonymous B — 9.3 years ago, 25 minutes later[T] [B] #513,695
Obama got rid of that because it was found to be racist.
Guess why
Guess why
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+Nugget Syntaxroll !Uvm54ORbmo — 9.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 26 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #513,696
·Anonymous B — 9.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #513,698
@previous (Nugget Syntaxroll !Uvm54ORbmo)
Trump's facing too much opposition. Can't even get his Supreme Court pick in. He can't even end chemtrails like he promised in campaigning.
Trump's facing too much opposition. Can't even get his Supreme Court pick in. He can't even end chemtrails like he promised in campaigning.
+Anonymous D — 9.3 years ago, 48 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #513,714
+Anonymous E — 9.3 years ago, 6 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,731
Other people who live off of government money: farmers, soldiers, anyone who uses public roads. Should they be tested too?
+Anonymous F — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,737
@previous (E)
Yeah, they should. Only degenerates support drug use and abuse. It's the equivalent of gays who hate it when people remind them that anal sex destroys your ability to control bowel movements.
Drugs are the same way. They make you feel good but so junk food, doesn't mean it's any better.
Yeah, they should. Only degenerates support drug use and abuse. It's the equivalent of gays who hate it when people remind them that anal sex destroys your ability to control bowel movements.
Drugs are the same way. They make you feel good but so junk food, doesn't mean it's any better.
+chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,750
no lol it costs so much to do that
·Anonymous F — 9.3 years ago, 39 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,752
@previous (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
bullfucking shit. it costs like 10 dollars for an over the counter drug test.
bullfucking shit. it costs like 10 dollars for an over the counter drug test.
+Anonymous H — 9.3 years ago, 26 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,753
I do not "do drugs'.. By
·chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 40 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,755
@513,752 (F)
Lol that's not the only cost involved you nitwit. You have to have people to administer the tests. People to administrate the program. Checks for confidentiality. Then there's the false positive problem.
ACLU: The average cost of a drug test is about $42 per person tested,[8 not including the costs of hiring personnel to administer the tests, to ensure confidentiality of results and to run confirmatory tests to guard against false positives resulting from passive drug exposure, cross-identification with legal, prescription drugs such as codeine and legal substances such as poppy seeds.]
Further, urinalysys is basically a test of weed-smokers since everything else leaves the system so fast. Several studies have found that it's easier to catch drug-abusers through questionnaires. Alabama found that job-training programs were a cheaper way to get people off welfare.
Not a single welfare recipient or applicant has tested positive for banned drugs in a Michigan pilot program, part of the growing practice of screening beneficiaries of government assistance for drug abuse.
in Tennessee, where drug testing was enacted for welfare recipients last month, only one person in the 800 who applied for help tested positive. In Florida, during the four months the state tested for drug use, only 2.6% of applicants tested positive. Meanwhile, Florida has an illegal drug use rate of 8%, meaning far fewer people on services are using drugs than their better-off counterparts. The drug testing cost taxpayers more money than it saved, and was ruled unconstitutional last year.
Low rates of drug use have been shown in multiple states besides Florida, including only 1/800 welfare recipients in Tennessee, vs. 8% in the general population. Similarly, Utah found 0.2 percent of the total welfare recipient population positive, vs. 6% of the population who admitted to using drugs. These 12 cases cost the state $30,000. ... Estimates of accuracy of the drug tests are < 1% for false positive confirmatory tests, and perhaps 5% false negatives, due to where the thresholds are commonly set. Of 85 people who test positive, 9/85, or 10.6% will erroneously be identified as drug users. So while 1% error rate (false positive) sounds good, 10% of the positives will be false.
The Florida chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union recently showed that drug testing actually cost the state money. The $30 spent per test ended up costing an aggregate of $45,000 more than the state saved in welfare payments.
Lol that's not the only cost involved you nitwit. You have to have people to administer the tests. People to administrate the program. Checks for confidentiality. Then there's the false positive problem.
ACLU: The average cost of a drug test is about $42 per person tested,[8 not including the costs of hiring personnel to administer the tests, to ensure confidentiality of results and to run confirmatory tests to guard against false positives resulting from passive drug exposure, cross-identification with legal, prescription drugs such as codeine and legal substances such as poppy seeds.]
Further, urinalysys is basically a test of weed-smokers since everything else leaves the system so fast. Several studies have found that it's easier to catch drug-abusers through questionnaires. Alabama found that job-training programs were a cheaper way to get people off welfare.
Not a single welfare recipient or applicant has tested positive for banned drugs in a Michigan pilot program, part of the growing practice of screening beneficiaries of government assistance for drug abuse.
in Tennessee, where drug testing was enacted for welfare recipients last month, only one person in the 800 who applied for help tested positive. In Florida, during the four months the state tested for drug use, only 2.6% of applicants tested positive. Meanwhile, Florida has an illegal drug use rate of 8%, meaning far fewer people on services are using drugs than their better-off counterparts. The drug testing cost taxpayers more money than it saved, and was ruled unconstitutional last year.
Low rates of drug use have been shown in multiple states besides Florida, including only 1/800 welfare recipients in Tennessee, vs. 8% in the general population. Similarly, Utah found 0.2 percent of the total welfare recipient population positive, vs. 6% of the population who admitted to using drugs. These 12 cases cost the state $30,000. ... Estimates of accuracy of the drug tests are < 1% for false positive confirmatory tests, and perhaps 5% false negatives, due to where the thresholds are commonly set. Of 85 people who test positive, 9/85, or 10.6% will erroneously be identified as drug users. So while 1% error rate (false positive) sounds good, 10% of the positives will be false.
The Florida chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union recently showed that drug testing actually cost the state money. The $30 spent per test ended up costing an aggregate of $45,000 more than the state saved in welfare payments.
+Anonymous I — 9.3 years ago, 41 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,756
@previous (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
> MUH COSTS
> T. DA GUBMINT
nonfucking shit they would make the costs go high. Whatever though youre obviously a junkie enabler and its because of people that you that trash(such as bert) contines to exist.
> MUH COSTS
> T. DA GUBMINT
nonfucking shit they would make the costs go high. Whatever though youre obviously a junkie enabler and its because of people that you that trash(such as bert) contines to exist.
·chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 21 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,758
@previous (I)
lmao yeah because i write government policy in a country i don't live in obviously
it costs more to test welfare recipients than it does to just give them welfare
just as death row costs more than life imprisonment
it's just pragmatic dude
lmao yeah because i write government policy in a country i don't live in obviously
it costs more to test welfare recipients than it does to just give them welfare
just as death row costs more than life imprisonment
it's just pragmatic dude
+Anonymous J — 9.3 years ago, 3 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,780
+Anonymous K — 9.3 years ago, 21 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,789
@previous (J)
I think it is. Pretty sure they canned it because it was nothing but a drain on the national budget. Most people tested negative, anyway.
I think it is. Pretty sure they canned it because it was nothing but a drain on the national budget. Most people tested negative, anyway.
·Anonymous J — 9.3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,792
@previous (K)
You're right, it was a huge waste of resources.
With the euthanasia model there's just a one time fee. Then we'll have robots turn the corpses into useful things like biofuel, compost, bbq, etc.
You're right, it was a huge waste of resources.
With the euthanasia model there's just a one time fee. Then we'll have robots turn the corpses into useful things like biofuel, compost, bbq, etc.
·Anonymous K — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #513,825
+Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 9.3 years ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,916
·Anonymous K — 9.3 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,919
+Anonymous M — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,920
@513,758 (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
> it costs more to test welfare recipients than it does to just give them welfare
lmao, do you even listen to yourself?
> just as death row costs more than life imprisonment
Only because it's done inefficiently. In theory death row removes a drain on resources but, just like welfare, bureaucracy get's in the way.
Employers make you get drug tested when you first start are you telling me it's cheaper for them to just pay you? Get real.
> it costs more to test welfare recipients than it does to just give them welfare
lmao, do you even listen to yourself?
> just as death row costs more than life imprisonment
Only because it's done inefficiently. In theory death row removes a drain on resources but, just like welfare, bureaucracy get's in the way.
Employers make you get drug tested when you first start are you telling me it's cheaper for them to just pay you? Get real.
·chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,922
@previous (M)
do you not realise that it is the cost of testing every applicant when like 2% of applicants test positive that makes it a net drain
do you not realise that it is the cost of testing every applicant when like 2% of applicants test positive that makes it a net drain
·Anonymous M — 9.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,923
@previous (chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i)
Do you not realize that's still not "more expensive than to just give them the money".
Do you not realize that's still not "more expensive than to just give them the money".
·chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,924
@previous (M)
except that's wrong
Virginia’s proposal failed last year when it was determined that the drug tests would cost the state $1.5 million to administer the tests and save only $229,000 in benefits stripped from recipients who tested positive.
except that's wrong
Virginia’s proposal failed last year when it was determined that the drug tests would cost the state $1.5 million to administer the tests and save only $229,000 in benefits stripped from recipients who tested positive.
·Anonymous M — 9.3 years ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,955
·chili dog !!heHjtrQ7i — 9.3 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,958
+Dead !Pool..v42s — 9.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #513,970
You know food stamps were created in response to the government surplus issue, and most food stamp accounts are managed by jp morgan.
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