Topic: How come Bert isn't communist or a socialist?
+Anonymous A — 9.3 years ago #47,208
The ideas down on paper sounds like something someone as entitled as Bert would go crazy for.
+Nugget Syntaxroll !Uvm54ORbmo — 9.3 years ago, 5 minutes later[T] [B] #511,989
coz he's a rapist
*BADUMTSH*
+Anonymous C — 9.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #511,991
No bullshit, I was reading a book that tried to figure out why people that were jobless, living paycheck to paycheck, etc were some of the most anti-socialist types. The conclusion was that because they've been failed so much by external sources(especially the benevolent ones) like parents, colleges and partners, that nowadays people only trust themselves for their success anymore. This isolation causes them to be more and more insular and less willing to help others out as a whole ESPECIALLY if they had any sort of success. Basically, the mentality is "If I had to suffer alone, then so shall they".
It was an interesting read, it basically explained everything from low marriage rates to NEETS.
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·Anonymous A (OP) — 9.3 years ago, 16 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #512,005
@previous (C)
So if one were to better themselves then they should try to avoid slipping into this mentality whenever hardship strikes them?
+Anonymous D — 9.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #512,008
no war.. but lcass warr..
·Anonymous C — 9.3 years ago, 21 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #512,025
@512,005 (A)
Well, a large point of the book was that the interviewees, which were millennials, no longer had access to the traditional adulthood markers such as graduation, marriage, etc and because of this they were reframing their adulthood into "stages" such as how they overcame an abusive relationship, they finally got off drugs, or how they got over some mental illness. The issues of them not bettering themselves was nonexistent.
Funnily enough, the mentality of these people was pretty positive. The main negative was that because they were so self-reliant to the extreme they rationalized their failures as wholly their own. They were still very much optimistic and hopeful. The issue was more that because of their refusal to trust anyone other than themselves(because they've been screwed so many times) caused their isolation not just in the traditional sense like NEETS but one where they don't trust institutions such as hospitals, colleges, the government etc even though they still operate within these frameworks. An example was how their distrust of government was juxtaposed between how, for example, government run AA programs helped some of them out of their alcohol abuse.
What I'm trying to say is, that in order to "avoid slipping into this mentality" you basically have to avoid being let down like these people were. Many people are failed by colleges(due to their drop out/never attending and lack of jobs), parents (because of divorce, abuse, alcoholism, being kicked out) partners(cheating, stealing money, divorce) that they are reluctant to enter any relationship that could bind them down and are reluctant to let others have the "easy way out". Hence why people that in theory should be completely for socialist programs despise them. You avoid these disappointments especially one after another and you will not fall.
We also could go into the implications of why this meshes with the fact it's usually students and the affluent that are the proponents of socialism which is the fact that they weren't let down by the institutions(yet). The Students may have debt but they are still entombed in the comfort of the system and/or haven't experienced the shock of the real world whereas the affluent are proponents because they have money and don't suffer financially and thus are more "open minded" and willing to help especially when it's government money and not theirs that's involved.
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·Anonymous A (OP) — 9.3 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #512,036
@previous (C)
There is a guy I talk to when waiting for the city bus sometimes who seems to be in favor of socialist programs since he seems to despise money and thinks society needs to be more helpful to their fellow humankind. He also displayed some paranoia traits most common with more low-income conservative types such as thinking chemtrails is being placed in the sky by some malevolent force. Does this book have an explanation for these kinds of people?
·Anonymous C — 9.3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #512,041
@previous (A)
> Does this book have an explanation for these kinds of people?
It does and it doesn't I guess. The study was an in depth interview with only 100 people that were chosen specifically for their blue collar background so it's a bit limited. What it dives into was how in areas where the markers were still present i.e. marriage/stable job such as a professional firehouse that the people there which are predominantly men still displayed traditional conservative views and were very much against programs like affirmative action(again because they believed in pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps). It's not outright paranoia but people do display anxiety over stuff like this where they feel it's unjust that blacks get an upper hand for what seems to be no reason in their eyes and are afraid for their own wellbeing.
For the most part these were very normal people otherwise, not your typical wizard or even robot. I definitely recommend it if you ever get a chance to read it, it's called "coming up short", by jennifer silva. It's published by oxford press i believe which is a good one.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 9.3 years ago, 43 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #512,070
@previous (C)
This now makes me intrigued about people who seem to express more conservative ideals while also claiming to be a liberal and support their ideology at the same time.
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