Topic: So, I've been looking for Windows operating systems downloads
+M — 12.1 years ago #36,775
I have several boxes, no hard drives, some Windows keys, blah blah. I figured I'd try to find free Windows downloads so I can use the keys I have...
But then I decided Fuck that.
I'm going Linux.
+The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.1 years ago, 4 minutes later[T] [B] #415,440
@OP
Enjoy your neckbeard.
+Anonymous C — 12.1 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #415,442
@previous (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
Beard transplants are all the rage right now.
·M (OP) — 12.1 years ago, 11 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #415,443
@415,440 (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
I have started sprouting a few hairs around the chin area...the bane of post menopause I suppose.
@previous (C)
Looks like I"m FINALLY just in time for the trend for once!
·Anonymous C — 12.1 years ago, 3 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #415,445
@previous (M )
You lucked out this time, bud.
+Anonymous D — 12.1 years ago, 19 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #415,447

Why do all Linux converts have to announce to the entire world that they're switching? Is using a flawed, antiquated OS that's hard to use and which has a shitty software library really something to be that proud of?
+Anonymous E — 12.1 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #415,452
@previous (D)
Hello, friend. That image is bounded by copyright laws.
·M (OP) — 12.1 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #415,453
@415,447 (D)
Because I'm brand new at it and in the hope of getting some *expert* advice without asking outright (ala Mattschtickstyle i.e. "What kind of camera should I buy, fora").
Maybe you should check your Winblows privilege and go fuck yourself :)
·Anonymous D — 12.1 years ago, 50 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,455
@previous (M )
Well, here's some *expert* advice for you, my friend: take your autism meds.
·M (OP) — 12.1 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,457
@previous (D)
*sigh* really?
Ok, all I want these stupid systems for is music and occasional internet searches. I plan on putting one in the basement, one in the garage, one in the living room.
Linux seems perfect, it's FREE.
Aren't there any neckbeards on Tc? Goddamn, people.
Now you made my eye hurt, bastards.
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+Dead !Pool..v42s — 12.1 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,458
@previous (M )
Inb4 Linux/gnu copy pasta
I liked mint and Ubuntu when I used them
·M (OP) — 12.1 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,459
@previous (Dead !Pool..v42s)
I saw mint, I thought it looked pretty cool. And Ubuntu seems to be one of the more popular ones.
Thanks man.
·Dead !Pool..v42s — 12.1 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,463
@previous (M )
No prob!
From what I remember Ubuntu has a lot of community based resources and has a forum for questions and/or bugs
+On !Uvm54ORbmo — 12.1 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,464
I got lubuntu for my 8 years old dual-core 1GB ram laptop, and it runs smoothly.
And since you have no harddisk (but WHY), here's an article of how to install Lubuntu on a usb drive
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1872303(Edited 2 minutes later.)
+M — 12.1 years ago, 20 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,465
@previous (On !Uvm54ORbmo)
Perfect, thanks! I've just spent the evening trying to reinstall windows 7 on an hp mini by burning the ISO onto USB so now I have a little practice lol.
Oh the boxes were cleaned up of their hard drives by the original owners so I just bought a couple of cheap ones online tonight.
I'm afraid this hp mini hd is bad too.
·On !Uvm54ORbmo — 12.1 years ago, 21 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,467
@previous (M )
> I'm afraid this hp mini hd is bad too.
holy shit immediately download a lubuntu iso and burn it to an USB before it cease to work as well
·M — 12.1 years ago, 31 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,469
@previous (On !Uvm54ORbmo)
Oh it's ok, I have 2 desktops and a laptop that are working just fine.
+Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 12.1 years ago, 10 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,470
@415,447 (D)
I sometimes wish I could start using solely opensource software.
It literally is a free alternative to everything.
+FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.1 years ago, 24 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,474
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
First we must kill PDF. Only then can we be truly free of proprietary software.
@OP
Any particular version of Windows you were looking for?
·Anonymous D — 12.1 years ago, 6 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,503
@415,470 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
But you can't, because it's shit. You get what you pay for.
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
> First we must kill PDF. Only then can we be truly free of proprietary software.
PDF is an open format, as well as OOXML. These formats are poorly supported under Linux not because they're proprietary, but because the freetards who wrote the software for them did a terrible job.
·M (OP) — 12.1 years ago, 2 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,509
@415,474 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
I have the keys for XP, Vista, and 7. I found a site where I can download the ISO's (Digital River). Hell, I still have Win 98 on disc somewhere.
I've got all this equipment so I thought I'd start getting everything up and running. I can put a damn computer in every room of this house.
+Triptych !IupsXZPnnU — 12.1 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,510
Mint or Ubuntu will work fine and be incredibly intuitive. If you're more into learning something entirely new, go for chrashbang: It's stable and because it's based off Debian, you'll be able to find out everything you need to online.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.1 years ago, 4 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,534
@415,509 (M )
lol, I have a 98 ISO on one of my hard drives somewhere. I've used my XP Pro disc more times that my music CDs probably.
+Syntax — 12.1 years ago, 28 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,538
@415,470 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Wish I could for example use Google docs and I might in one case get an ok from a client who also uses it for one of its Subs - to let me as well for limited use and cut my use of MS word a bit.
Alas I with my work make wot is nice to stuff wallet with do have limitations that tie my hands on software I am allowed to use/download - if its not on an approved list then I am forbidden from use.
@415,510 (Triptych !IupsXZPnnU)
I got an ok to try Ubuntu, by download to a stick on a friends computer and then load it onto a IBM think pad - had to swear on my life that puter wood never be connected to the web. So I do play with it now and then n it sure looks very cool. One not cool thing was needing to go back to friends computer to down load a lot of stuff to make Ubuntu useful.
Example image viewers such as Apple or MS uses are closed source so one has to use wot works with open source n I guess its a matter of getting used to that limitation. I probably wood have more gripes about Ubuntu if I get to use it online one day.
@415,464 (On !Uvm54ORbmo)
> I got lubuntu for my 8 years old dual-core 1GB ram laptop, and it runs smoothly.
> And since you have no harddisk (but WHY), here's an article of how to install Lubuntu on a usb drive
Mine is even older - about 11 or so with only a single core. Slapped in the stick to USB and it was a bit of a learning curve after loading but was STABLE from the get go
@415,509 (M )
Vista? LOLOLOL Throw that away - for example Qualcomm and a slew of companies refused to use it after trying it - Most corporations refused to use it - IBM sent a crew to MS to tell them they wood switch to 100% Apple if MS did not get its shit together and not fix Vista but dump it and move back and upgrade or move forward
98 oh the so many blue screens of death of all inside puters. My 7's on rare occasion to lock up. But its also true that Unix has with bad new code added - ended up in even a Do-loop crash - Once AT&T lost 100% of all long distance for just updating their software nation wide and all Long distance was total crap out.
98 oh the pain the pain - 95 even more but it also with less power had in my opinion less headaches but many do not agree with me
And back to days of only DOS LOL - Yet stable often hummmmmmmm believe it or not ole DOS is still in use at several monster companies for unique reasons
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·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.1 years ago, 35 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,552
@previous (Syntax )
Nice Markov text.
+Anonymous M — 12.1 years ago, 29 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,573
@415,538 (Syntax )
I loved dos.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.1 years ago, 50 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,586
@415,538 (Syntax )
Video codecs you have to download, but what the heck version of ubuntu were you using that didn't have image viewing functionality built-in? Or did you mean GIMP, because they removed that from the install disc somewhere between '08 and '10. Pissed me off because I got stuck on an airplane and couldn't do anything on my computer because it was a fresh install of 10.10 and there was no GIMP.
·Syntax — 12.1 years ago, 55 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,590
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Yep no GIMP. There was some way to download Ubuntu from a 3rd party with that and more but I only found about that later much later.
No real need for the codecs to play as currently not allowed to use it on the web.
Its also growing dust currently - Choice is Beach or play with that puter and Beach wins every tyme
@415,573 (M)
> I loved dos.
Did you LOL say notice my moniker Syntax. Perhaps it should have been
Syntax error
I can read C++ and do a few lines of code (not so good but can) and I do not get Syntax fugged up very often. DOS and among a few I can remember one that drove me crazy angry in Australia nor at time did I even have a dial up connection and I was in the Key Satellite Command Control Station for wot is now a huge number of fully working Satellites..
c:
cd %userprofile%\Desktop
del filename*.*
copy P:\Filepath\Update~1\*.mde %userprofile%\Desktop\ Syntax error with not a clue wot to do next over n over
"%userprofile\my documents" Next day I figured it out. So many things to remember about tiny needed dis n dat with DOS
DOS is still running on one desktop controlling 6 meter dishes all over Planet Earth (but only on a maintenance schedule) Nor can anyone justify changing wot works with no crashes over a decade now
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·Triptych !IupsXZPnnU — 12.1 years ago, 18 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,592
@415,538 (Syntax )
I had to find the driver for my wireless card and install that, you probably would have to do the same thing.
·Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 12.1 years ago, 37 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,599
@415,503 (D)
Why is it shit? GIMP, Firefox, LibreOffice, and Paint.NET seem perfectly fine.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.1 years ago, 20 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,604
@415,590 (Syntax )
Cool story bro.
·Anonymous D — 12.1 years ago, 32 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,611
@415,599 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
- GIMP is crippled and has only a fraction of the tools and resources provided by Photoshop.
- Firefox is okay, but is one of very few open source projects that really stand out. Mentioning it is the equivalent of screaming "Tux Racer!!!1" when Linux gets called out for its lack of games.
- Besides the generally shitty user interface, LibreOffice has shitty support for OOXML, again because they did a terrible job of implementing it. This makes it unfit for general, real-life usage. It amuses me to no end whenever my teachers accidentally open a PowerPoint presentation in LibreOffice and things start going apeshit.
- Paint.NET is good, probably because it's not open source.
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·Syntax — 12.1 years ago, 25 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,615
I was in error about GIMP - GIMP I got but never had the tyme to waste on it. What I meant to say after seeing Anon D reply
The open source image/video view add on for Linux
VLC media player or something of that order.
·Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 12.1 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,617
@415,611 (D)
Paint.NET isn't open source?
What is OOXML, a file format?
LibreOffice just looks like the old Microsoft Word to me in terms of GUI.
How can you tell the difference between all of these word processors that aren't Office 2013?
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·Syntax — 12.1 years ago, 6 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #415,618
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
Quick Look C
Paint.NET is free but the design hangs on2 Microsoft's .NET Framework 4.5 to make it functional. So yes its open but it also depends on code that is closed source.
Common practice that cuts lines of code needed to do something because in effect it can tap in2 MS lines of code which makes
their thing cheaper to do.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.1 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #415,645
@415,615 (Syntax )
VLC is not recommended by people who know their shit, however it probably does fine for plain old avi or mp4 videos which is what the majority of people playing videos in the US use.
@415,611 (D)
Psychotic fucktard. Photoshop is bloatware of the worst degree. Clearly you're the one who's crippled if you can't figure out how to do something in GIMP.
@415,617 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
OOXML is the Microsoft equivalent of the Open Document Format. Microsoft, being Microsoft, had to reinvent the wheel again instead of just adopting the existing framework. It's a bunch of XML files inside a zip file.
@415,503 (D)
> These formats are poorly supported under Linux not because they're proprietary
PDF is poorly supported by anything outside Adobe because the format is a clusterfuck designed 20 years ago and haphazardly amended in order to add new functions for the sole purpose of maintaining its status as a dominant business format. As syntax mentions, if something works, businesses will use it until it absolutely cannot be fixed. PDF got a jump on the market in the early years so business adopted it since, being a business, you deal in dollars. Paying for Acrobat made sense because there wasn't any free alternative at the time and businesses were just starting to use computers, so it's easier to outsource the technical work to someone who understands it. Now computers are an integral part of every business, and the spread of computers has led to the creation of better formats which ought to be in use. But since business doesn't move at tech speed, Adobe continues to hold their grip on the business market because of the headache associated with change.
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·Anonymous D — 12.1 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #415,675
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
> Psychotic fucktard. Photoshop is bloatware of the worst degree. Clearly you're the one who's crippled if you can't figure out how to do something in GIMP.
Sure, I could mess around with shitty workarounds in GIMP until I achieve the desired effect, or I could just use Photoshop and get the job done more easily and most likely with a better result. As an example, look how quick and easy it is to outline a bit of text in Photoshop (pic related). GIMP has no simple or obvious way of doing this.
I'm also unsure of what you mean by Photoshop being "bloatware". The interface is completely free of bullshit and it has a solid set of tools. As far as disk space goes, the application folders for Photoshop CS6 and Illustrator CS6 are each under 700 MB on my machine.
> OOXML is the Microsoft equivalent of the Open Document Format. Microsoft, being Microsoft, had to reinvent the wheel again instead of just adopting the existing framework.
Microsoft had to "reinvent the wheel" because the existing file format, Open Document Format, wasn't good enough. Amongst other things, ODF lacks support for macros. In any case, OOXML is an ISO standard, thus there is no excuse for not correctly implementing it.
> (word salad about PDF)
This is irrelevant. What is relevant is that PDF is here to stay and will not disappear over night. If the format is as broken and poorly supported outside of Adobe products as you claim, why would you use anything
but Adobe products to open them?
·M — 12.1 years ago, 32 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #415,677
@previous (D)
So the problem seems to be you have a rough time with anything other than what you know and are familiar with, so everything other than that is shit. Makes sense, a lot of people are intimidated by change.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.1 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #415,682
@415,675 (D)
> I could mess around with shitty workarounds in GIMP
So what you're saying is that 6x bloat is an acceptable trade off for not having to think for 10 seconds about how to do something?
> under 700 MB
Was that supposed to be a counter to my argument?
> If the format is as broken and poorly supported outside of Adobe products as you claim, why would you use anything but Adobe products to open them?
My point is the format itself should be eradicated for being a poorly structured mess and replaced with something modern which is designed to be both efficient and universally compatible. For 15 years Adobe had no motivation to care if anyone else could successfully implement a reader/writer for PDFs because it didn't earn them any money. Being a cryptic mess to out-of-house programmers was good for Adobe's profit.
·Anonymous D — 12.1 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #415,705
@415,677 (M )
> So what you're saying is that 6x bloat is an acceptable trade off for not having to think for 10 seconds about how to do something?
Bloat is subjective. Read below.
> Was that supposed to be a counter to my argument?
No, I just threw that out because I have no idea what your definition of bloat is and why you think it's a problem. Given that you have a history of asking about how to use shitty software on antiquated hardware, I was thinking that maybe your issue with Photoshop is that you don't have the disk space for it. Why don't you tell me what you mean by bloat so we can discuss on the same level?
> My point is the format itself should be eradicated for being a poorly structured mess and replaced with something modern which is designed to be both efficient and universally compatible.
PDF is as universal as it gets---just about anyone can open any PDF file. Regarding efficiency: with mobile devices and computers getting more and more powerful all the time, the replacing of PDFs would cause more trouble than it would solve due to compatibility issues.
@415,677 (M )
I'm saying that GIMP (and open source in general) usually is so lacking in functionality that switching to such software is senseless. I'm not arguing against having to familiarise yourself with new software.
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·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.1 years ago, 35 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #415,716
@previous (D)
> Why don't you tell me what you mean by bloat so we can discuss on the same level?
You seem to already know what I mean by bloat. My picture should have made it quite clear. But it's not a matter of
having enough space, rather it is a question of
"is all that space usage really necessary?"
> the replacing of PDFs would cause more trouble than it would solve due to compatibility issues.
And yet, here we are in 2014 with PNG images all over the web instead of static gifs. Microsoft had a hell of a time implementing such a logically structured format while every other browser managed to do it quite easily.
·Syntax — 12.1 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #415,743
@415,705 (D)
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
PDF is a dinosaur and Anon D even you agree it could be wayyyyyy better if a non propriety and this decade format were available. And
> just about anyone can open any PDF file.
But not everyone can create a PDF file. Which is sorta good because Adobe took two fucking decades to make any money and now they do...Sources tell me there are committee/groups/ working on a way to solve this problem and put Adobe into a re-think position soon. I hope its true. It was wot? 13-15 years b4 you could copy paste lines or paragraph/page to computer clip board. Sure Adobe provided an non industry standard so you could which was a pain but we all were forced to do it
their way
HP IBM and Intel forced them to upgrade or help keep that company from making any money.
·Catherine !TGirlYJKXM — 12.1 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #415,770
Is Photoshop easy to work with, because it looks complicated to all hell.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.1 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #415,809
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
I've taken a class in Photoshop. Most of the stuff I learned transferred well to GIMP, but Looking at Photoshop now is like a secretary looking at Office 2007 for the first time.
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