Topic: Why do the faithful indulge in the works of science...
+Anonymous A — 12.3 years ago #35,274
Yet at the same time condemn it?
+ducky — 12.3 years ago, 2 minutes later[T] [B] #401,375
God gave us sciences
+Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,377
Because science is one of (only one of) the tools of uncovering knowledge. And since all knowledge is God, science is one of (only one of) the ways to know God.
Let me know if you have any other questions, I'll answer them for you.
Let me know if you have any other questions, I'll answer them for you.
+Anonymous D — 12.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,379
@previous (C)
This is profoundly succinct. Thank you, I could not find the words. Go with Christ, brother.
This is profoundly succinct. Thank you, I could not find the words. Go with Christ, brother.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 12.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,381
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 43 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,382
·Anonymous D — 12.3 years ago, 24 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,383
·Anonymous A (OP) — 12.3 years ago, 23 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,389
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+Morbid !vbsvhaneDY — 12.3 years ago, 20 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,390
+Syntax — 12.3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,394
@401,382 (C)You want proof God does not exist?
Lets assume such God exists for a momento for sake of argument - So there were those praying to Allah aka God for a good crash
Those and there were many many praying that such wood not happen.
Clearly if God existed and heard such prayers then God took one side - Wot good wood this God be?
With or without God shit happens.
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #401,397
@previous (Syntax )
You begin with the premise that God does not exist, and then you go on to illustrate characteristics of God. You're confusing 2 different issues.
@401,389 (A)
> Nobody cares about your shitty tupla, TGpedosox.
You apparently care more than anybody here, because you took the time and trouble to make a thread asking about it.
You begin with the premise that God does not exist, and then you go on to illustrate characteristics of God. You're confusing 2 different issues.
@401,389 (A)
> Nobody cares about your shitty tupla, TGpedosox.
You apparently care more than anybody here, because you took the time and trouble to make a thread asking about it.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 12.3 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #401,400
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #401,406
·Syntax — 12.3 years ago, 16 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #401,407
@401,397 (C)My point perhaps is
If God exists it does nobody any good whatsoever
This makes God (if exists) Impotent
If God does not exist then = Same as the existence of God
Yea its confusing but no more so then some object that many years ago was prayed2 and there were many - You can buy this Lord Ganesha for $6.89 for instance to pray2
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #401,416
@previous (Syntax )
> My point perhaps is
>
> If God exists it does nobody any good whatsoever
With respect, who are you to make this claim? Why do you speak for all of humanity?
> This makes God (if exists) Impotent
How do you jump from 'Does nobody any good' (an unsafe assumption to begin with) to 'Hence He is impotent'. Again, you're confusing different issues.
> If God does not exist then = Same as the existence of God
This 'formula' relies on your premises being sound, which (see above), they are not.
> Yea its confusing but no more so then some object that many years ago was prayed2 and there were many - You can buy this Lord Ganesha for $6.89 for instance to pray2
Here you display an ignorance of history. You say Ganesha "was prayed to many years ago". Ganesha still is prayed to, and the fact there are objects which offer his likeness is no different to Christian iconography, for example. If someone paints a portrait of, say, King Henry VIII, does this therefore mean Henry VIII never existed? Yet again, 2 different issues, and you're confusing them.
> My point perhaps is
>
> If God exists it does nobody any good whatsoever
With respect, who are you to make this claim? Why do you speak for all of humanity?
> This makes God (if exists) Impotent
How do you jump from 'Does nobody any good' (an unsafe assumption to begin with) to 'Hence He is impotent'. Again, you're confusing different issues.
> If God does not exist then = Same as the existence of God
This 'formula' relies on your premises being sound, which (see above), they are not.
> Yea its confusing but no more so then some object that many years ago was prayed2 and there were many - You can buy this Lord Ganesha for $6.89 for instance to pray2
Here you display an ignorance of history. You say Ganesha "was prayed to many years ago". Ganesha still is prayed to, and the fact there are objects which offer his likeness is no different to Christian iconography, for example. If someone paints a portrait of, say, King Henry VIII, does this therefore mean Henry VIII never existed? Yet again, 2 different issues, and you're confusing them.
·Syntax — 12.3 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #401,419
@previous (C)
Yikes sorry about the Ganesha slip cause Yes I sure have met people who currently pry to Ganesha -
Actually if you were to look at a Google view of where I live and I mean on my bluff in Cardiff by the Sea - my next door neighbor has a shrine in their church (outdoors) which includes Ganesha along with a huge number of other deities that people who belong to such Church pray to - Self-Realization Fellowship.
Now how the hell could I speak for all Humanity? Is there anyone on Planet Earth that does? Yea like Millions actually think they do.
Not I - I R but one person expressing the one and only True Opinion - But I do make room for others on occasion.
Its simple enough for me - In my work Chaos is simulated as Information Theory (Chaos modified just a bit) One comes as close to White Noise as possible
Anyway there is no doubt Millions were watching the Planes crash in2 the towers and Millions prayed for a different outcome - If someone was paying attention then that someone sided with those following Osama Bin Laden.
Yikes sorry about the Ganesha slip cause Yes I sure have met people who currently pry to Ganesha -
Actually if you were to look at a Google view of where I live and I mean on my bluff in Cardiff by the Sea - my next door neighbor has a shrine in their church (outdoors) which includes Ganesha along with a huge number of other deities that people who belong to such Church pray to - Self-Realization Fellowship.
Now how the hell could I speak for all Humanity? Is there anyone on Planet Earth that does? Yea like Millions actually think they do.
Not I - I R but one person expressing the one and only True Opinion - But I do make room for others on occasion.
Its simple enough for me - In my work Chaos is simulated as Information Theory (Chaos modified just a bit) One comes as close to White Noise as possible
Anyway there is no doubt Millions were watching the Planes crash in2 the towers and Millions prayed for a different outcome - If someone was paying attention then that someone sided with those following Osama Bin Laden.
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #401,421
@previous (Syntax )
You've taken so many words to say nothing there, except to repeat that, for you, there is no God because terrorism exists.
You've taken so many words to say nothing there, except to repeat that, for you, there is no God because terrorism exists.
·Syntax — 12.3 years ago, 37 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #401,423
@previous (C)
Tyme for me to head out for the evening.
With or Without God we have
Terrorism Earthquakes Hurricanes Cancer Floods Horrid Fires Tornadoes Wars Famine and the list goes on and on
With or Without - Seems 2 me it does not make a difference
Good nite
Tyme for me to head out for the evening.
With or Without God we have
Terrorism Earthquakes Hurricanes Cancer Floods Horrid Fires Tornadoes Wars Famine and the list goes on and on
With or Without - Seems 2 me it does not make a difference
Good nite
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 36 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #401,424
@previous (Syntax )
Again, you are confusing different issues. What you've written is as sensible as saying, for example, that with or without basketball we have trees on this earth.
Why for you is the issue of God connected with the issue of terrorism and tornadoes and so on, as if these are the sum total of existence? Or are you making a characterisation of God? Are you saying that 'bad' things happen with or without him, and so for what do we need him? If so, why do you assume that the nature and purpose of God is to stop 'bad' things (by your definition) happening to you? This is rather arrogant, no? Not to mention a facile and childish idea of God, i.e some entity which keeps you safe from harm and hurt all the time.
Good night to you too.
Again, you are confusing different issues. What you've written is as sensible as saying, for example, that with or without basketball we have trees on this earth.
Why for you is the issue of God connected with the issue of terrorism and tornadoes and so on, as if these are the sum total of existence? Or are you making a characterisation of God? Are you saying that 'bad' things happen with or without him, and so for what do we need him? If so, why do you assume that the nature and purpose of God is to stop 'bad' things (by your definition) happening to you? This is rather arrogant, no? Not to mention a facile and childish idea of God, i.e some entity which keeps you safe from harm and hurt all the time.
Good night to you too.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 12.3 years ago, 42 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #401,428
Why don't we just gas the Christians like Hitler gased the Jews?
+The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.3 years ago, 23 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,639
@401,377 (C)> Because science is one of (only one of) the tools of uncovering knowledge.
Cool story bro.
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,647
@previous (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
Use science to illustrate the knowledge that 2 + 2 = 4. Not the arithmetical progression, I mean the concept of twoness added to the concept of twoness is equal to the concept of fourness. Can't do it, can you?
Tell me again about cool stories, bro.
I know you desperately want to believe there is no God, Doc, because then you won't feel such acute shame at having the life you do, but you're just gonna have to face it: there probably is...and he's watching as you look at those internet videos.
Use science to illustrate the knowledge that 2 + 2 = 4. Not the arithmetical progression, I mean the concept of twoness added to the concept of twoness is equal to the concept of fourness. Can't do it, can you?
Tell me again about cool stories, bro.
I know you desperately want to believe there is no God, Doc, because then you won't feel such acute shame at having the life you do, but you're just gonna have to face it: there probably is...and he's watching as you look at those internet videos.
+Anonymous H — 12.3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,649
@401,424 (C)
He's saying 2 large groups of people prayed for 2 very different outcomes. Only one outcome came to pass. Why does God choose to answer one groups prayers while ignoring the others'? This indicates something is wrong with the 'God' paradigm. We must conclude that either 1) God is not benevolent and is prone to the same bias as any human. 2) God is otherwise powerless to control his own creation due to his choosing to give us free will. 3) There is no God.
In the first case, God loses the essential 'Godliness' quality of impartiality. He is effectively reduced to the level of a human. Humans are petty and should not be worshiped.
In the second case, God is seen to have made a mistake in endowing us with the quality of free will which enables us to question anything and everything. One who is free to ask questions is ultimately beyond the control of any external forces. So now we have to ask the question: If God is imperfect, why should we worship him? If God can do nothing to intervene in the course of our lives, he is impotent.
Of course in the third case, if no God exists, why pray to it? Why don't people pray to unicorns, or dragons, or bigfoot?
He's saying 2 large groups of people prayed for 2 very different outcomes. Only one outcome came to pass. Why does God choose to answer one groups prayers while ignoring the others'? This indicates something is wrong with the 'God' paradigm. We must conclude that either 1) God is not benevolent and is prone to the same bias as any human. 2) God is otherwise powerless to control his own creation due to his choosing to give us free will. 3) There is no God.
In the first case, God loses the essential 'Godliness' quality of impartiality. He is effectively reduced to the level of a human. Humans are petty and should not be worshiped.
In the second case, God is seen to have made a mistake in endowing us with the quality of free will which enables us to question anything and everything. One who is free to ask questions is ultimately beyond the control of any external forces. So now we have to ask the question: If God is imperfect, why should we worship him? If God can do nothing to intervene in the course of our lives, he is impotent.
Of course in the third case, if no God exists, why pray to it? Why don't people pray to unicorns, or dragons, or bigfoot?
+Anonymous I — 12.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,650
damn im so glad i started practicing buddhism
heres a tip from buddhism in general btw: dont be a shitty person, make every interaction with people a good one, try to just be a positive influence on others and not let stupid shit get the better of you
lol monotheism, also meditation actually works but its quite difficult in general, you'd be surprised.
heres a tip from buddhism in general btw: dont be a shitty person, make every interaction with people a good one, try to just be a positive influence on others and not let stupid shit get the better of you
lol monotheism, also meditation actually works but its quite difficult in general, you'd be surprised.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 12.3 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,656
Did TGcomix realize that nobody loves him so he decided to love a pre-existing tupla?
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,661
@401,647 (C)> Use science to illustrate the knowledge that 2 + 2 = 4. Not the arithmetical progression, I mean the concept of twoness added to the concept of twoness is equal to the concept of fourness. Can't do it, can you?
There is no such thing as "the concept of twoness", or "the concept of fourness". Concepts are an artifact of human cognitive functioning, and have no quantifiable presence in nature. Grow up.
·Anonymous H — 12.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,663
@401,656 (A)
TG is too much of an egomaniac to ever achieve any level of self-awareness. He is God in his own mind. Same as kimmo and to4str.
TG is too much of an egomaniac to ever achieve any level of self-awareness. He is God in his own mind. Same as kimmo and to4str.
+Anonymous J — 12.3 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,669
·Anonymous A (OP) — 12.3 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,672
@401,661 (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
This is probably the longest posts made by The Doctor I have ever read.
@401,663 (H)
Would TGcomix be The Joker to The Doctor's Batman?
This is probably the longest posts made by The Doctor I have ever read.
@401,663 (H)
Would TGcomix be The Joker to The Doctor's Batman?
·Anonymous H — 12.3 years ago, 33 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,676
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 14 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,758
@401,661 (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
> Concepts are an artifact of human cognitive functioning, and have no quantifiable presence in nature.
Lol, dumbass :) Hate, anger, joy, love, disdain...these also have "no quantifiable presence in nature". Therefore using your logic does it follow that they also don't exist? For you, things only exist if they are quantifiable in nature? All else is a redundant "artifact"? What a limited range of experiences you've had in your 34 years.
You might want to go back to your little pictures Doc and auto-replies Doc, because when you try to compose full sentences you end up looking a complete tit. I'm happy you've tried to join in, but I'm going to have to bitch-slap you back into your shell now, it's safer for you.
> Concepts are an artifact of human cognitive functioning, and have no quantifiable presence in nature.
Lol, dumbass :) Hate, anger, joy, love, disdain...these also have "no quantifiable presence in nature". Therefore using your logic does it follow that they also don't exist? For you, things only exist if they are quantifiable in nature? All else is a redundant "artifact"? What a limited range of experiences you've had in your 34 years.
You might want to go back to your little pictures Doc and auto-replies Doc, because when you try to compose full sentences you end up looking a complete tit. I'm happy you've tried to join in, but I'm going to have to bitch-slap you back into your shell now, it's safer for you.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.3 years ago, 54 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,771
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,778
·Syntax — 12.3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,784
@401,424 (C)> Again, you are confusing different issues. What you've written is as sensible as saying, for example, that with or without basketball we have trees on this earth.
>
> Why for you is the issue of God connected with the issue of terrorism and tornadoes and so on, as if these are the sum total of existence? Or are you making a characterisation of God? Are you saying that 'bad' things happen with or without him, and so for what do we need him? If so, why do you assume that the nature and purpose of God is to stop 'bad' things (by your definition) happening to you? This is rather arrogant, no? Not to mention a facile and childish idea of God, i.e some entity which keeps you safe from harm and hurt all the time.
>
> Good night to you too.
@401,649 (H)
> He's saying 2 large groups of people prayed for 2 very different outcomes. Only one outcome came to pass. Why does God choose to answer one groups prayers while ignoring the others'? This indicates something is wrong with the 'God' paradigm. We must conclude that either 1) God is not benevolent and is prone to the same bias as any human. 2) God is otherwise powerless to control his own creation due to his choosing to give us free will. 3) There is no God.
>
> In the first case, God loses the essential 'Godliness' quality of impartiality. He is effectively reduced to the level of a human. Humans are petty and should not be worshiped.
>
> In the second case, God is seen to have made a mistake in endowing us with the quality of free will which enables us to question anything and everything. One who is free to ask questions is ultimately beyond the control of any external forces. So now we have to ask the question: If God is imperfect, why should we worship him? If God can do nothing to intervene in the course of our lives, he is impotent.
>
> Of course in the third case, if no God exists, why pray to it? Why don't people pray to unicorns, or dragons, or bigfoot?
Anyway this One God thing is all very much Confusions cause a bit over 5000 years ago God got Homogenized
Except of course people still pray to
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.3 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,785
·Anonymous A (OP) — 12.3 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,801
@401,758 (C)
The Doctor makes good points. Whenever you try to go up against him you should automatically expect to lose, notTG.
The Doctor makes good points. Whenever you try to go up against him you should automatically expect to lose, notTG.
·Anonymous C — 12.3 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #401,825
·Anonymous H — 12.3 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #401,980
@401,758 (C)
> Hate, anger, joy, love, disdain...these also have "no quantifiable presence in nature". Therefore using your logic does it follow that they also don't exist?
All of those are chemical reactions triggered by stimuli. All life is a series of reactions triggered by stimuli. The doctors' posts are a stimuli to which you will react.
> Hate, anger, joy, love, disdain...these also have "no quantifiable presence in nature". Therefore using your logic does it follow that they also don't exist?
All of those are chemical reactions triggered by stimuli. All life is a series of reactions triggered by stimuli. The doctors' posts are a stimuli to which you will react.
+Anonymous K — 12.3 years ago, 45 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #402,023
·Syntax — 12.3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #402,032
·Anonymous K — 12.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #402,033
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