Topic: Are you Shiftless & Lazy? No Skill sets? Looking for a job? White?or close enough China is for you
+Syntax — 12.4 years ago #34,527
http://www.vice.com/read/lazy-and-white-go-teach-in-chinaWhite People with No Skill Sets Wanted in China
Jan 7 2014
“As a foreigner in Kunming, it seems you only do four things: smoke, drink, teach English, and occasionally learn some Chinese.”
If you’re a white English speaker, you can get a job teaching private English classes in China.
Many schools will hire you without any prior experience, teaching credentials, or a working visa.
Of the dozens of English teachers we talked to for this story, only two had official work visas, and little more than half had any kind of teaching experience
or certification.
The China Post reported that as many as 40 percent of the foreign teachers in China were operating under fake credentials.
Sometimes you don’t even need to apply for the job. In Urumqi, in China’s northwest, my writing partner and I were offered our first teaching gig at a roadside noodle stand. We had been in the country less than a week.
“Want to work at my school?” a lady asked us, thrusting two business cards forward with a smile. “You can start tomorrow.”
We weren’t sure whether to laugh or not. Was she serious? Neither of us knew the first thing about teaching children.
“We don’t speak Chinese,” we told her.
“No problem,” she replied quickly. “So what do you say?”
The offer was the first of many we would refuse during the two and a half months we traveled around China---
we received unsolicited offers on the street four more times, and nearly every time we visited a school. In the private tutoring industry, which is growing at almost 15 percent a year, private language academies are looking for pale faces like ours to meet the booming demand for foreign English teachers.
But the industry's rapid growth is creating a new leisure class of young foreigners who are often unqualified for their teaching jobs. In addition to the roughly 180,000 “foreign experts” who enter China on working visas each year to work in education, there are many more who come to work on tourist or university visas. Of the dozens of English teachers we talked to for this story, only two had official work visas, and little more than half had any kind of teaching experience or certification.
The black market teaching jobs offer good wages in a cheap country, often with short working hours and little accountability. Many parents who pay the high prices for lessons don’t speak English themselves, making it difficult to track the progress of their child or gauge the talent of his or her teachers. It seems that many locals don’t fully grasp just how easy it is to get a job with some white skin and basic English skills.
Kunming, the capital of the southern province of Yunnan, is just one city where the 4.5 billion dollar a year English teaching industry is supporting a thriving expat scene. The city’s Green Lake neighborhood is dotted with foreign-owned coffee shops like Paul’s Café, where exchange students at the adjacent Yunnan Normal University meet to practice their calligraphy or have a beer after class. Within the confines of the Café’s patio, Kunming’s local dialects suddenly disappear into a swirl of various English accents. Some discuss studies, some their next travel plans around Asia, others the tough questions from Thursday quiz night at the local pub. It is a diverse community, with people hailing from everywhere from Ukraine to Uruguay.
But what nearly everyone has in common is a part-time gig teaching English.
While some are undoubtedly committed and great at what they do, many see these teaching jobs as an opportunity to live an easy life abroad
while working only 20 hours a week---and quite possibly screwing up some kid's education while they're at it.
(Lots more 2 Read)
I need to give credit to an Anon on SC who wanted to needle Matthew R Miller who wasted 15 years on a useless MA degree. - Does NOT want to teach nor has he ever taking courses in teaching but English is the only skill he is left with.
+SFBE — 12.4 years ago, 43 minutes later[T] [B] #393,985
If this is the current job market, I'll be blowing those stupid job creator fuckers' heads off with whatever shotgun my money can buy.
·Syntax (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 13 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #393,992
@previous (SFBE )
Article cites LA Times discussing the huge job market in 2007 - the Guardian 2010 and Article was written Jan 7 2014.
Writers rite for Forbes n Atlantic Monthly so very credible.
Article cites LA Times discussing the huge job market in 2007 - the Guardian 2010 and Article was written Jan 7 2014.
Writers rite for Forbes n Atlantic Monthly so very credible.
+FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #394,000
So I could go to China, teach English for a couple years, then use my connection to get me and On tickets to the US? All while having zero actual work experience and no relevant degree? That's almost a tempting opportunity...
·Syntax (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #394,009
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Seems so. 'For you that is
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/jul/13/china-english-schools
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/29/business/fi-teach29
SHANGHAI --- When Douglas Lee started searching for a job as an English instructor in Chengdu, he seemed just like any other American to his potential employers. He was raised in Oklahoma, enjoyed listening to jazz and was a big fan of Woody Allen movies like "Crimes and Misdemeanors."
But when he submitted a photo of himself,
the 26-year-old graduate of San Diego State University discovered that he had one blemish on his application: He looked too Chinese.
By the end of a two-month job search, Lee had been rejected by seven employers, and for no other reason, he says, than being a Chinese American.
"Some of them just straight up said they wanted someone more foreign," said Lee, who settled for a job as an administrator at North America ESL School in Chengdu, the capital city of Sichuan province in western China.
So for On maybe not so much - HowEver when I follow the gokunming site I do see other Asians who have found work there.
One wood think a knowledge of speaking n writing in Chinese wood be a benefit. Very odd.
Based on PM convos with Expats that live there. The $22/hr is miss leading because almost no one gets more then 20 hours a week and they end up doing added 10 for no money as classroom prep - Several work 3 gigs to earn enough money to save for future.
Seems so. 'For you that is
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/jul/13/china-english-schools
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/29/business/fi-teach29
SHANGHAI --- When Douglas Lee started searching for a job as an English instructor in Chengdu, he seemed just like any other American to his potential employers. He was raised in Oklahoma, enjoyed listening to jazz and was a big fan of Woody Allen movies like "Crimes and Misdemeanors."
But when he submitted a photo of himself,
the 26-year-old graduate of San Diego State University discovered that he had one blemish on his application: He looked too Chinese.
By the end of a two-month job search, Lee had been rejected by seven employers, and for no other reason, he says, than being a Chinese American.
"Some of them just straight up said they wanted someone more foreign," said Lee, who settled for a job as an administrator at North America ESL School in Chengdu, the capital city of Sichuan province in western China.
So for On maybe not so much - HowEver when I follow the gokunming site I do see other Asians who have found work there.
One wood think a knowledge of speaking n writing in Chinese wood be a benefit. Very odd.
Based on PM convos with Expats that live there. The $22/hr is miss leading because almost no one gets more then 20 hours a week and they end up doing added 10 for no money as classroom prep - Several work 3 gigs to earn enough money to save for future.
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+SFBE — 12.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #394,010
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.4 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #394,016
@394,009 (Syntax )
It's probably frowned upon because it gives a fallback line of communication between student and teacher so they can explain things in Chinese. Schools in China are pretty cut-throat about grades. They practically memorize textbooks, so when they come over here they can easily outperform American students in academic areas. The trade-off is, they can be perceived as rude and arrogant because of the difference in cultural climates.
So basically the schools don't want English teachers to speak Chinese because their interest is in forcing the students to learn English by submersion. Which is really the best way to learn such a clusterfuck of a language.
...That was kind of rambling and incoherent. Whatever, fuck it.
It's probably frowned upon because it gives a fallback line of communication between student and teacher so they can explain things in Chinese. Schools in China are pretty cut-throat about grades. They practically memorize textbooks, so when they come over here they can easily outperform American students in academic areas. The trade-off is, they can be perceived as rude and arrogant because of the difference in cultural climates.
So basically the schools don't want English teachers to speak Chinese because their interest is in forcing the students to learn English by submersion. Which is really the best way to learn such a clusterfuck of a language.
...That was kind of rambling and incoherent. Whatever, fuck it.
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·Syntax (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,062
@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
> ...That was kind of rambling and incoherent. Whatever, fuck it.
Not really ...Totally understood your point. Me I wood want to point to an apple and say apple in Chinese and then English n the next day see if anyone remembered.
> ...That was kind of rambling and incoherent. Whatever, fuck it.
Not really ...Totally understood your point. Me I wood want to point to an apple and say apple in Chinese and then English n the next day see if anyone remembered.
+Triptych !IupsXZPnnU — 12.4 years ago, 49 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,063
I'm not white, could I do this anyway? :(
·Syntax (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,069
@previous (Triptych !IupsXZPnnU)Hard to say. Depends on how brown you are. Much info on how Racist Chinese are. That said there are Blacks teaching and Blacks that post about how difficult it was to get accepted and by that I mean where you are hired where you currently live and they may pay for a one way ticket. You can go to gokuming.com register and inquire to the Expats currently there.
http://www.gokunming.com/en/forums/thread/6586/is_kunming_racist
Two years worth of views for you. If you are serious? There is a rating system Expats use in every country and recently I viewed this subject but did not make note of it but could find Later AND Kunming is rated as a 5th rate place to work/live.
Beijing is high up on the list if I remember correctly buttttt its got very very bad air. Its the prime reason Matt had to leave. Odd that Bad air is often a matter of complaint on gokuming as well - currently you can find them discussing how its getting worse.
Must join friends on the beach for a toast of Champagne but let me say this quickly - For years I traveled to great places on Others Peoples Money
That included China. Never Kunming but for sure other parts of that Provence. For instance one common gripe about Kunming is that Commies gutted all the original parts of city and built a Concrete Jungle. This photo clearly makes that point.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.4 years ago, 3 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,115
@previous (Syntax )
Yeah, from what I've heard, you pretty much walk if you want to get anywhere in Shanghai. If you take a car you've got waaaaaay too much free time on your hands.
Yeah, from what I've heard, you pretty much walk if you want to get anywhere in Shanghai. If you take a car you've got waaaaaay too much free time on your hands.
+Anonymous F — 12.4 years ago, 14 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,118
Do I get access to easy, nubile chinese pussy?
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.4 years ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,153
+The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 12.4 years ago, 3 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,162
@394,069 (Syntax )> Must join friends on the beach for a toast of Champagne but let me say this quickly - For years I traveled to great places on Others Peoples Money
Cool story bro.
+ducky — 12.4 years ago, 4 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #394,178
@394,009 (Syntax )
lol egypts the same. they prefer to hire you if youre not from egypt n speak english better than arabic
lol egypts the same. they prefer to hire you if youre not from egypt n speak english better than arabic
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