Topic: TC book club #3

+Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk — 12.4 years ago #33,350

It can be hard to follow in places, use of psychedelics with the reading material is suggested but not mandatory, recommended reading for subversives and other such deviants.

Illuminatus! (audiobook, jewtube)

Illuminatus! (wiki)

The Illuminatus! Trilogy is a series of three novels written by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson first published in 1975.[1] The trilogy is a satirical, postmodern, science fiction-influenced adventure story; a drug-, sex-, and magic-laden trek through a number of conspiracy theories, both historical and imaginary, related to the authors' version of the Illuminati. The narrative often switches between third and first person perspectives and jumps around in time. It is thematically dense, covering topics like counterculture, numerology, and Discordianism.
"Only the madman is ever sure."

"The most thoroughly and relentlessly Damned, banned, excluded, condemned, forbidden, ostracized, ignored, suppressed, repressed, robbed, brutalized and defamed of all Damned things is the individual human being. The social engineers, statisticians, psychologists, sociologists, market researchers, landlords, bureaucrats, captains of industry, bankers, governors, commissars, kings and presidents are perpetually forcing this Damned Thing into carefully prepared blueprints and perpetually irritated that the Damned Thing will not fit into the slot assigned to it. The theologians call it a sinner and tries to reform it. The governor calls it a criminal and tries to punish it. The psychotherapist calls it neurotic and tries to cure it. Still, the Damned Thing will not fit into their slots."

"Think for yourself, schmuck."

Hail Eris!

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+Triptych !IupsXZPnnU — 12.4 years ago, 1 minute later[T] [B] #382,951

Oh, I like the sound of this.

+Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #382,953

gay book

·Triptych !IupsXZPnnU — 12.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #382,954

@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
why are you so mean

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 13 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #382,960

@382,953 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Report back after you read it, fakenegi.

@382,951 (Triptych !IupsXZPnnU)
I think you'll dig it. There isn't much really to compare it to that comes to mind apart from maybe how Foucault's Pendulum would have turned out if Eco had been eating a bunch of acid when he wrote it. RAW is pretty amusing though, his lectures, especially the 'Maybe Logic' stuff is worthwhile.

The Map is Not the Territory: The Future is Not the Past

Robert Anton Wilson Explains Everything: Language and Reality

Knowing a little about Korzybski may help to understand some of his ideas about semantics.
Towards Understanding Eprime (Wilson)
Science and Sanity (Korzybski)

+ducky — 12.4 years ago, 11 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #382,965

THIS SOUNDS PRETTY COOOOOOOOL

+kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 47 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #382,990

I just purchased new copies of A Brave New World by Aldous Huxley and Flim Flam by James Randi to read again.

+Anonymous F — 12.4 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #383,002

@previous (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
hot

+Sophie !MLHqI35Srs — 12.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #383,004

The Science of Anti-semitism by A.C. Cuza.
After reading David Icke's Perception Deception, I don't recommend it, imagine Autphag word salad but without paragraphing.

·kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 18 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #383,008

@383,002 (F)
I do find that book to be a tad arousing.

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #383,010

@382,990 (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
Huxley is grate.

I haven't read much by Randi, lmk how it is when you're done.

@382,965 (ducky )
IT ISSSS

[https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html You may need this. Informative Discordian ~~Propaganda~~ material.]

@383,004 (Sophie !MLHqI35Srs)

"The Science of Anti-Semitism" by Professor Alexandru C. Cuza is an article explaining how anti-Semitism is not "madness" but is actually a natural, scientific attitude developed after one studies the Jewish problem scientifically.

For some reason I don't think it would be my cup of tea either.

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 40 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #383,018

@382,960 (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)
> Report back after you read it, fakenegi.
I did.
It was tl;dr

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 2 days later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,194

I just finished reading this book and boy was it awful

·kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,224

@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Read A Brave
New World, next.

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,229

@previous (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
I already did. It's hipster tier.

·Dr. Sophie !MLHqI35Srs — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,244

@384,224 (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
That book is less known for its literary merits (to Huxley's own admission) and more known for the fact it was part-experimentation and part-blueprint for some of the more bizarre aspects of his technocratic, ultra-hedonistic societal vision.

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,325

@384,194 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
No you didn't, fakenegi.

+Magda — 12.4 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,327

Rabelais and His World by Mikhail Bakhtin.

(Edited 13 seconds later.)

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,332

@previous (Magda )
I've got a copy of 'Gargantua and Patagruel' on my desk. Rabelais was an influence on Crowley though, so I took something of an interest in him.

·Magda — 12.4 years ago, 17 hours later, 3 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,791

@previous (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)
That's awesome, Bakhtin lit a few fires in me when I was considering my thesis. I liked the connections between the grotesque in art, literature, and dissent of the the times when speaking freely could get you killed.

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 11 hours later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #384,970

@previous (Magda )
Really? I'll bet it was interesting. Out of curiosity, what was your major?

What you said made me think of Maggie Nelson's 'The Art of Cruelty' for w/e reason. I think it might be up your alley. As far as Russian philosophers go, Kropotkin has been more influential to date but tbh I haven't read as much by Bakhtin. I've enjoyed some of the Russian decadents (although the French Decadents/Symbolists are where it's at).

I'm still trying to find an English version of the Patricide by Alexander Kazbegi after learning how influential the work was on Stalin, but haven't had much luck. It wouldn't kill me to learn Russian and then I'd have the added bonus of being able to study some of these works in their native tongue. Idk.

I'm rambling now, but it's been a long albeit pleasant day (despite having had to face in-laws).

·ducky — 12.4 years ago, 4 hours later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,008

@384,327 (Magda )
what genre

+Anonymous I — 12.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,009

@previous (ducky )
Don't worry about it, ducks. Its probably not a pop-up book.

·ducky — 12.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,010

@previous (I)
I figured its not a popup book bcus magda read it. dont worry bout me

·kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 5 hours later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,182

@384,229 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
What does that even mean?

·Anonymous I — 12.4 years ago, 25 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,190

@384,229 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,194

@385,182 (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
it means only hipsters read it

·Anonymous I — 12.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,196

@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)

·Anonymous C — 12.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,197

@previous (I)
lol

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·Anonymous I — 12.4 years ago, 18 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,199

@previous (C)
Nice try, negi.

·kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,299

@385,194 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Only hipsters read classics? What was hipsterish about it?

+Anonymous J — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,339

@384,229 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
No it's not you uncultured git.

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 6 hours later, 5 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,449

@385,299 (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
@previous (J)
@385,199 (I)
yes yes

·kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 17 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,453

@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
What?

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 16 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,458

@previous (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
> Only hipsters read classics?
Yes[1].
_______________
[1] - http://www.goodreads.com/genres/hipster-read

(Edited 4 minutes later.)

·Anonymous H — 12.4 years ago, 6 hours later, 5 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,472

@384,970 (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)
It was a dual art history/English lit. The plan was to go on for my masters in museum studies but real life got in the way.

The Art of Cruelty sounds kinda familiar, I will definitely look it up. And Russian is a language I have been interested in, my daughter and I picked up some phrases and used to speak to each other just for laughs.

@385,008 (ducky )

I guess philosophical dialogue would be the genre, it's a great read if you're into the carnivalesque/grotesque in literature and art.

·kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 15 hours later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,717

@385,458 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
But what makes it hipsterish?

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 9 hours later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,807

@previous (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
Hipsters loooove classics.

+The Detector !3yzc29zx8c — 12.4 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,816

@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Hipster detected.

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 47 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,829

@previous (The Detector !3yzc29zx8c)
Negima is mainstream.

·ducky — 12.4 years ago, 10 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,832

@385,807 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
classics are classics for a reason. everyone loves them including your mom. calm down

·ducky — 12.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,833

@385,472 (H)
I want to know other books you read cos I dont think im into the grotesque thing. lol

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,835

@385,832 (ducky )
go back to playing sims

·ducky — 12.4 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,837

@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
its black ops time

·kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X — 12.4 years ago, 32 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[T] [B] #385,841

@385,807 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
You've never bothered to try it. Its very interesting. Have you ever read Children of Men?

·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.4 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,046

@previous (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
You can bet he hasn't, but will tell you otherwise and claim to be an expert on it.

+Negi Springfield !YGrsehnh6M — 12.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,047

@385,841 (kookerpie !!/aqdK/R/X)
You're not replying to me, but some guy pretending to be me.

I've seen the movie, but never read the book. I probably should, after I finish the Archipelago.

+kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 12.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,048

@386,046 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Probable

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 12.4 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,049

@386,047 (Negi Springfield !YGrsehnh6M)
I knew that it wasnt you. Did you like the movie?

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,056

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Uh, no. That guy isn't me.
He might as well have posted my selfie and claimed he was me.

·Bruce — 12.4 years ago, 49 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,060

@385,833 (ducky )
@385,833 (ducky )
You may like John Irving. I don't exactly know why I think you would like him. It's fiction with a slight fantastical feel. What interests do you have beside Sims and forked tongues?

I am slightly inebriated, it's my birthday friday and I am making the most of it. Good times all week long.

Oh yeah, just outed my fabulous Bruce persona. See what whiskey does, kids?

(Edited 1 minute later.)

·Magda — 12.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,061

@386,047 (Negi Springfield !YGrsehnh6M)
You irritate me. I'm not sure why. Yet.

·ducky — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,120

@386,060 (Bruce )
I love anthropology. what are you doing for friday? also negi irritates you probly cos hes an idiot

·Negi Springfield !YGrsehnh6M — 12.4 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,149

@previous (ducky )
That's nice, Ducky.

@386,061 (Magda )
Oh come now, what did I do to you?

+Jack !DsdPamundo — 12.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,150

@previous (Negi Springfield !YGrsehnh6M)
Take your Risperdal.

·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 12.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,154

@386,061 (Magda )
I knew I couldn't be the only person who had that initial reaction to him.

·Magda — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,183

@386,120 (ducky )
Probably going to throw myself a party on Saturday and make everyone bring me awesome gifts.

@386,149 (Negi Springfield !YGrsehnh6M)
I'll get back to you on that.

@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
And I bet there's more...

+Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 1 day later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,699

@382,953 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
@383,018 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
@384,194 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
@385,194 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
@386,047 (Negi Springfield !YGrsehnh6M)
@386,056 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,747

@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Cute.

·Anonymous I — 12.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,749

This is all very well, but these look like quite hardcore intellectual books? Correct me if I'm wrong.

In a real book club, these wouldn't be used, as it stymies discussion and debate about the books.

If the ultimate goal is to encourage reading and discussing a book, choose more accessible books that more people might be inclined to pick up a copy and join in.

If the ultimate goal is to portray yourself as a pseudo intellectual, why even pretend its a club?

+Sophie !MLHqI35Srs — 12.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,751

@previous (I)
Some of us are clever enough to genuinely access the books and form opinions on our own, which is why we are not threatened with such perceptions of pseudointellectualism.

·Anonymous I — 12.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,752

@previous (Sophie !MLHqI35Srs)
You've missed the point.

I was talking about mass-participation, not my own. From what I can see, this bookclub consists of @OP only.

·Sophie !MLHqI35Srs — 12.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,753

@previous (I)
Well I hadn't, but I realise now this only goes to reaffirm your point. Nevermind, ignore my waffling.

·Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 12.4 years ago, 58 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,760

@386,747 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 12.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,789

@386,749 (I)
Do you have any suggestions?
Oh, have you read World War Z? It's really good.

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #386,875

@385,472 (H)
You can always go back though, bud.

I think I'll start trying some of the Russian stuff offered by Duolingo anyway. It'll probably be fun.

I'll check it out for sure.

@386,749 (I)
The bar isn't set that high with this selection and the prior thread was a selection by Bukowski suggested by another TinyComrade. These last two have both been somewhat counterculture classics but they're very accessible. If you're looking for 'Twilight' or 'The Da Vinci Code' I'm sorry to disappoint you.

It's not like I'm suggesting we dissect Lacan, or study Derrida. Even then I feel like most TinyComrades are bright enough for the material, even if it's new territory.

Still, I'm open to suggestions for the next thread.

·Anonymous D — 12.4 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #387,064

@previous (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)
hunger games

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #387,269

@previous (D)

You're a monster, but okay.

·Anonymous D — 12.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #387,273

@previous (Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk)
no. im kidding. please dont do it!

·Antikhristos !M6R0eWkIpk (OP) — 12.4 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #387,276

@previous (D)
lol

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