Topic: Which country would you LEAST want to live in?
+Anonymous A — 13.4 years ago #22,302
VOTE WITH A CLICK| Poll option | Votes | Percentage | Graph |
|---|---|---|---|
| USAmerica | - | 0% | |
| Russia | - | 0% | |
| Iran | - | 0% | |
| France | - | 0% | |
| Mexico | - | 0% | |
| Ireland | - | 0% | |
| Argentina | - | 0% | |
| Poland | - | 0% | |
| South Africa | - | 0% |
+Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later[T] [B] #267,607
All of those choices are equally as terrible for different reasons, but probably Iran.
+Morbid — 13.4 years ago, 53 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #267,635
+ducky !LZ0E5ojVGY — 13.4 years ago, 6 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,699
usa
+Anonymous E — 13.4 years ago, 53 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,704
·ducky !LZ0E5ojVGY — 13.4 years ago, 14 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,705
+Anonymous F — 13.4 years ago, 42 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,707
Why no UK?
+FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 13.4 years ago, 36 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,713
I'm pretty sure I'd be dead within a year in Iran.
+Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,722
Iran. US is second, because I would hate to work there. Low pay, no socialized health care, very few vacation days, and it'd be difficult just to find a job. I'm rethinking going to uni there.
+Anonymous I — 13.4 years ago, 2 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,742
@previous (Triptych )
quit being so arrogant....the U.S. is THE place to be.....and I think you know that..
quit being so arrogant....the U.S. is THE place to be.....and I think you know that..
+Anonymous J — 13.4 years ago, 46 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,753
+Syntax — 13.4 years ago, 29 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,757
Why was England left off the list?
Brits are still forced to pay for Queens Toilet paper and her massive undies. Brits still forced to pay Billions of pounds to protect the Falkland Island.
Brits are still forced to pay for Queens Toilet paper and her massive undies. Brits still forced to pay Billions of pounds to protect the Falkland Island.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,758
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 8 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,759
+Anonymous L — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,762
England a shithole. Full of smelly ugly terrorist ragheads.
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,765
@267,757 (Syntax )
Whereas US tax dollars, rather than going towards health care and education, fund missiles fuck yeah. You're not even in a proper fucking war; Afghanistan's pretty much over and it wasn't even legitimate to begin with. Fucking give your people health care.
Whereas US tax dollars, rather than going towards health care and education, fund missiles fuck yeah. You're not even in a proper fucking war; Afghanistan's pretty much over and it wasn't even legitimate to begin with. Fucking give your people health care.
+Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,787
@previous (Triptych )
We do have health care. Lots and lots of it. That's why Canadian doctors all come here for surgery rather than wait in a queue for 6 months for something that is fatal in one month.
We do have health care. Lots and lots of it. That's why Canadian doctors all come here for surgery rather than wait in a queue for 6 months for something that is fatal in one month.
+Anonymous N — 13.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,789
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 22 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,794
@267,787 (M)
Nobody can afford preventative care in the US, so what starts out as a very easy to treat illness becomes something near-fatal that the patient ends up in the ER with, and comes out with insurmountable debt.
I won't comment on wait times because I've never had to have more than basic care. I just walk in to a clinic and they'll get me whatever's needed very quickly.
Nobody can afford preventative care in the US, so what starts out as a very easy to treat illness becomes something near-fatal that the patient ends up in the ER with, and comes out with insurmountable debt.
I won't comment on wait times because I've never had to have more than basic care. I just walk in to a clinic and they'll get me whatever's needed very quickly.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 13.4 years ago, 53 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,806
@previous (Triptych )
If there wasn't a whole industry built on making money off of people's misfortune, then preventative care would be more affordable. But instead you get taught that paying into an insurance company is they way to make sure you don't go under when something big happens. But since they exist to pay themselves first while customers feed in billions of dollars annually, they set up all these barriers that allow them to shirk any responsibility. They'll deny someone any coverage because of pre-existing conditions; because that would cost them more money! Then they have percentage caps on how much they'll pay on any one bill, and there's a minimum you have to pay before they'll even accept a bill. So if the charge is under that limit, you pay it all, and you still have to give them your monthly payment. There's limitations on what does or doesn't count as necessary treatment too, so they can throw away lots of claims just because they say it's not a valid medical need. Health insurance is truly the pinnacle of American corporate greed. That and banks, but I don't know as much about those.
If there wasn't a whole industry built on making money off of people's misfortune, then preventative care would be more affordable. But instead you get taught that paying into an insurance company is they way to make sure you don't go under when something big happens. But since they exist to pay themselves first while customers feed in billions of dollars annually, they set up all these barriers that allow them to shirk any responsibility. They'll deny someone any coverage because of pre-existing conditions; because that would cost them more money! Then they have percentage caps on how much they'll pay on any one bill, and there's a minimum you have to pay before they'll even accept a bill. So if the charge is under that limit, you pay it all, and you still have to give them your monthly payment. There's limitations on what does or doesn't count as necessary treatment too, so they can throw away lots of claims just because they say it's not a valid medical need. Health insurance is truly the pinnacle of American corporate greed. That and banks, but I don't know as much about those.
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,814
@267,794 (Triptych )
The system was working fairly well for over a quarter billion people.
And Canada's system is only "free" if you're not contributing. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
The system was working fairly well for over a quarter billion people.
And Canada's system is only "free" if you're not contributing. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,815
@267,806 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
Government regulation is at least equally culpable. Also Medicare/Medicaid not paying their fair share. Its a hell of a lot more complicated than just corporate greed.
There's a reason LASIK and cosmetic surgery is relatively cheap.
Government regulation is at least equally culpable. Also Medicare/Medicaid not paying their fair share. Its a hell of a lot more complicated than just corporate greed.
There's a reason LASIK and cosmetic surgery is relatively cheap.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 13.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,818
@previous (M)
Yeah, I know. Health insurance is just a particularly transparent example of a business model built on greed and exploitation. At least the Mob has enough balls to hire thugs to go and fuck shit up when someone doesn't pay their "insurance". Companies are just like "Oh, you got hit by an uninsured drunk driver and it totaled your vehicle as well as crushed your leg? Well, I guess we can cover the amputation surgery, but if you want a prosthetic leg, we're only paying half and we're gonna have to bump you from a used car to a rental. Sorry pal, you shouldn't drive when drunk people are out."
Yeah, I know. Health insurance is just a particularly transparent example of a business model built on greed and exploitation. At least the Mob has enough balls to hire thugs to go and fuck shit up when someone doesn't pay their "insurance". Companies are just like "Oh, you got hit by an uninsured drunk driver and it totaled your vehicle as well as crushed your leg? Well, I guess we can cover the amputation surgery, but if you want a prosthetic leg, we're only paying half and we're gonna have to bump you from a used car to a rental. Sorry pal, you shouldn't drive when drunk people are out."
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,820
@267,814 (M)
Taxes are better than paying $100/month just in case you break a bone. Insurance is expensive in America, too. I think the cheapest Blue Cross plan (extra coverage) is something like $18/mo.
@267,806 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
That's silly. I like being able to go over to get a check-up or a vaccine and just give them an insurance number and never see a bill. Health care is a provincial thing too, and even the province I wasn't a resident of yet gave me free vaccines.
Taxes are better than paying $100/month just in case you break a bone. Insurance is expensive in America, too. I think the cheapest Blue Cross plan (extra coverage) is something like $18/mo.
@267,806 (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
That's silly. I like being able to go over to get a check-up or a vaccine and just give them an insurance number and never see a bill. Health care is a provincial thing too, and even the province I wasn't a resident of yet gave me free vaccines.
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,822
@previous (Triptych )
Taxes are better if you aren't paying much in taxes. The more insulated from costs you are the less you pay attention to them.
The only real difference in the US is you sort of see some of the costs, but the anger is misdirected and we end up with the law that was passed and whose author is calling a train wreck. He is also retiring because he knows he fucked up. But that's what happens when you rush to avoid anyone thinking about the consequences of a law.
Taxes are better if you aren't paying much in taxes. The more insulated from costs you are the less you pay attention to them.
The only real difference in the US is you sort of see some of the costs, but the anger is misdirected and we end up with the law that was passed and whose author is calling a train wreck. He is also retiring because he knows he fucked up. But that's what happens when you rush to avoid anyone thinking about the consequences of a law.
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 11 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,824
@previous (M)
I don't know how much income tax is anywhere. Sales tax is 5% in Alberta and 15% in BC if that makes any difference.
The other thing is that there's aaaalways reports of how shitty public schools are in the US. Why the fuck.
I don't know how much income tax is anywhere. Sales tax is 5% in Alberta and 15% in BC if that makes any difference.
The other thing is that there's aaaalways reports of how shitty public schools are in the US. Why the fuck.
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,827
@previous (Triptych )
There are many more good schools than bad ones, but those news stories aren't quite so sensational. "Teacher teaches, news at 11".
You have a lot of minority students who believe trying in school is acting white. It gets you bullied. That is pretty sad.
America has its problems, but come on.
There are many more good schools than bad ones, but those news stories aren't quite so sensational. "Teacher teaches, news at 11".
You have a lot of minority students who believe trying in school is acting white. It gets you bullied. That is pretty sad.
America has its problems, but come on.
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,829
@previous (M)
No, not that kind of stuff. Underfunding, where there aren't enough textbooks to go around and stuff. School lunches all being awful.
No, not that kind of stuff. Underfunding, where there aren't enough textbooks to go around and stuff. School lunches all being awful.
·Morbid — 13.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,831
@previous (Triptych )
There are some charter schools which work outside if government curriculums and are really, really affective. Way higher test scores than public schools and a lot of them offer really good programs which help you get into a technical school and then a university if you so desire.
There are some charter schools which work outside if government curriculums and are really, really affective. Way higher test scores than public schools and a lot of them offer really good programs which help you get into a technical school and then a university if you so desire.
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 53 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,832
·Morbid — 13.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,833
·Morbid — 13.4 years ago, 33 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,834
·Morbid — 13.4 years ago, 10 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,835
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,837
@267,829 (Triptych )
School funding in the US is really high. There is just so much waste. Rural and suburban schools do fine, and on far less money, in many cases less than half the amount per pupil.
We also feel the need to mainstream every sped even if they are extremely disruptive or would actually be better served in an environment specially set up for them. It is extremely expensive. It isn't always better to mainstream, and it can cost ten times as much or more.
School funding in the US is really high. There is just so much waste. Rural and suburban schools do fine, and on far less money, in many cases less than half the amount per pupil.
We also feel the need to mainstream every sped even if they are extremely disruptive or would actually be better served in an environment specially set up for them. It is extremely expensive. It isn't always better to mainstream, and it can cost ten times as much or more.
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,838
@267,835 (Morbid )
Yeah, no one can reasonably criticize anything that the left thinks is sacred on any level without shit like that. Wtgdude, you really raise the level of dialogue. I am completely claiming it's alien invaders.
Yeah, no one can reasonably criticize anything that the left thinks is sacred on any level without shit like that. Wtgdude, you really raise the level of dialogue. I am completely claiming it's alien invaders.
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,839
@267,837 (M)
Yeah, I don't think mainstreaming would go well after a point. I think stratification started in grade 4 and got more intense in grade 10. It's niiiiiice.
I like that public school is free in BC, too. In Alberta there's some fees (actually quite a bit, I think it was like $250) but they can be waived really really easily. But in BC they didn't even insist on proof of residency, just gave me some textbooks and I was in.
Yeah, I don't think mainstreaming would go well after a point. I think stratification started in grade 4 and got more intense in grade 10. It's niiiiiice.
I like that public school is free in BC, too. In Alberta there's some fees (actually quite a bit, I think it was like $250) but they can be waived really really easily. But in BC they didn't even insist on proof of residency, just gave me some textbooks and I was in.
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 19 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,843
@previous (Triptych )
They replace the books here way too often for some subjects. There hasn't been enough changes to basic algebra in the last several centuries to justify new books every other year. Social studies books should even be good for a few years.
There's just a lot of inefficiency. In some of the schools just shutting them down completely would end up with the same percentages able to read. It is more localized social problems than lack of funding. Someone pushing the students to learn and a cultural shift towards education being a positive.
It's not exactly racial, the most upwardly mobile group in the US is newly emigrated Africans, but some of that is because the last wave of refugees were Somalis.
They replace the books here way too often for some subjects. There hasn't been enough changes to basic algebra in the last several centuries to justify new books every other year. Social studies books should even be good for a few years.
There's just a lot of inefficiency. In some of the schools just shutting them down completely would end up with the same percentages able to read. It is more localized social problems than lack of funding. Someone pushing the students to learn and a cultural shift towards education being a positive.
It's not exactly racial, the most upwardly mobile group in the US is newly emigrated Africans, but some of that is because the last wave of refugees were Somalis.
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,844
@previous (M)
But why are there new books every other year? Why isn't there more of an effort everywhere to fix inefficiency and take more of an interest in education? This is all just so silly.
But why are there new books every other year? Why isn't there more of an effort everywhere to fix inefficiency and take more of an interest in education? This is all just so silly.
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,846
@previous (Triptych )
Because the money is there so it must be spent. Otherwise they might get less and invalidate their existense or something.
My high school added a huge facility with 6 more basketball courts for some reason. The number of students isn't really much higher than it was when I graduated 20 years ago. It is completely crazy.
Because the money is there so it must be spent. Otherwise they might get less and invalidate their existense or something.
My high school added a huge facility with 6 more basketball courts for some reason. The number of students isn't really much higher than it was when I graduated 20 years ago. It is completely crazy.
·Triptych — 13.4 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,850
·Anonymous M — 13.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,851
@previous (Triptych )
Yes. And in the US since we decided to let the federal government get involved they just make it more complicated. Because they can't directly control education (no constitutional authority) they do it with bribes and blackmail... sorry, somethinv called unfunded mandates, do it or they withold money in other areas, like highway funds.
The federal government was set up to avoid this, to keep power as local as necessary, but power creep happens.
Yes. And in the US since we decided to let the federal government get involved they just make it more complicated. Because they can't directly control education (no constitutional authority) they do it with bribes and blackmail... sorry, somethinv called unfunded mandates, do it or they withold money in other areas, like highway funds.
The federal government was set up to avoid this, to keep power as local as necessary, but power creep happens.
·FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI — 13.4 years ago, 37 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[T] [B] #267,865
@267,844 (Triptych )
There's so much stuff in education that would be simple to fix if not for all the government hoops you have to jump through in the process. Nothing reasonably logical can get passed without amending 2 volumes worth of bullshit onto it.
There's so much stuff in education that would be simple to fix if not for all the government hoops you have to jump through in the process. Nothing reasonably logical can get passed without amending 2 volumes worth of bullshit onto it.
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