Topic: If you were in management, would it be a smart idea to run a drug test this upcoming Monday?

+Anonymous A — 13.4 years ago #21,824

Well?

+Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 11 minutes later[T] [B] #262,812

Of course. You would have ample opportunity to weed out the drug abuse fetishists among your employees.

C̫͉͉̳͙̹i͈͉̠̗̮̪̺a͈͓͔̬o̲͉,̘̥̪̖̭ ̼͈͚͕͍̖T̮̙̞̙̠̞͙h̫͉̞̟̖̻e͕̗͚̦ ͚D̼̣̞̣͕o͙c͕t̫o̺͉̖̞̹̙̭r͇̮̬̗.͕̠

+Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 8 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,813

Sure. Fire all the pot smokers. The cokeheads and heroin addicts will be clean by Monday.

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,815

@previous (C)
It would be an unannounced drug test.

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,818

@262,813 (C)
> The cokeheads and heroin addicts will be clean by Monday.
No, they won't, for obvious reasons.

C͍i͓̳ͅa͉̠̜o̱̣̝̗͚̤͉,̬ ̞̯͚̜̣T͉̣̲̙̯̪͔h̥͕͎̻̣e̹̣̳̩ ̭͚̰͚̰̰D̺͍̙oc͎̰͚̪̪̪t̤͙o͎͎̲͚͓ṟ̱̻̲.͉̠̹̻̥

+kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,824

Not at all

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 44 seconds later, 30 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,826

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Why?

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 14 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,828

@previous (A)
Because you might lose valued employees over a one time thrill. Also, you'd have to waste the time to hire new people, and the time/resources to train them.

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,829

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
It's already wasting time/resources to continue paying under-productive drug abusing employees. That and it is illegal. The law is the law.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,832

@previous (A)
You cant prove that they are under productive because of a one time thing. Also "the law is the law" has nothing to do with timing whatsoever. The law doesnt mandate that employers drug test after 4/20.
In addition, the legal ways in which people get fucked up like pills and alcohol, wouldnt even count for these tests, and they definitely encourage loss of productivity, and workplace accidents.

(Edited 26 seconds later.)

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 54 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,833

@262,815 (A)
@262,818 (B)

Cocaine and heroin leave the system faster then pot.

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #262,834

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Correct. That's irrelevant for what I said, though. Read it again and see if you get it.

Ci̱̬͕̹͔̝a̮͖͇̝͖̜̟o͇͉͍̖̱,̹̜̮͍ ̼̞T̖̫̭͓͙͓h̲̘e̗̠̰ ͉̘̰̻D̯͎͎ͅo̥͓c̩̹̟͍͉̙̠t̜̻o̲r̹̱͈̹̗.͉̭͕

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,836

@previous (B)
Like stds?

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,837

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Illegible gibberish.

No, I'm talking about how 95% of the heroin addicts wouldn't succeed in quitting on a two day notice.

C̭͔̦͔͕͙̘i̖̻̬a͇͍͉̺o,̩͙̤͔̺̱ ̫̺̺͈T͈̟̭̜̙̼ͅh̼̻̠̩͍̱e̪͎̰ ̣̙̤D͉̣̩̲̯̺̥oc͉͚̘t͇̮̙or.͙̝͈͓̘̱͇

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,838

@262,829 (A)
Does this really make sense to you? Lets fire long time employees and force ourselves to spend time and money hiring and training new ones, because of a joint smoked on a holiday?

What would you do if the majority of your work force tested positive, and you had to shut down operations completely? Could you justify the loss of income?

(Edited 9 seconds later.)

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,840

@262,837 (B)
That implies that they're doing it everyday. I've met many that save it for the weekends.

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,842

@262,838 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
If they are willing to do gateway drugs then they deserve the boot. In the long run this is just a better business practice.

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 16 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,843

@262,840 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Tell me more about how those kinds of people stay completely clean and don't do other drugs during the weekdays.

C̠̞͉͎̺͈i̥̣̭̘̙͓ͅa̳͚͇̫o̺̙̯͔̳,̝̤ ̗̞͕̜̖̱͍Ṱ̜̺̭̹h̻͈e̼̘̭ ̲̬͉D̤̠̥̫̳ͅo̘̣̩͙̪̮ͅc̼̘t̯̩̗̺o̖̱̖͔̟̩̪r̫̞͍̙͎.̥̙

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,844

@262,842 (A)
Oh shit. I love it when people use the term gate way drug lol

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,845

@262,842 (A)
What about alcoholics?

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,849

@previous (C)
Alcohol isn't illegal.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 22 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,850

@262,843 (B)
I've met many weekend junkies. I've also met people who booze it up all of the time, and never get caught because alcohol leaves the system quickly, and pill heads with multiple doctors who are on legal narcs and no one can say jack shit about it.

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 58 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,851

@262,849 (A)
So? You'd rather an employee show up to work hungover, disheveled, and reeking of booze? Do you know how unproductive people are when they're hungover?

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,852

@262,843 (B)
Wait is this about your personal feelings on pot, or about what would be the smart decision for a company? Because it sounds like you'd make a piss poor manager.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 16 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,853

@262,851 (C)
But alcohol is legal! lol

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,854

@262,851 (C)
You apparently don't understand how employee review works.

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 3 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,855

@262,849 (A)
What if your hypothetical business was in Colorado or Washington, where marijuana is legal?

(Edited 57 seconds later.)

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,856

When corporate calls you up, angry that you lost a week of income do to firing your employes, would you whine back, "But boss, they were doing gateway drugs!" lol

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 26 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,857

@262,854 (A)
Enlighten me. Your claim is that marijuana smokers are unproductive.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,858

@262,854 (A)
lol Tell us about employee review.

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,859

@262,852 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Druggies are a risk to the company because they have a higher risk of fucking up. Why do you think people want to fire them in the first place? To avoid a known risk factor.

C͉i̺͕̩͍a͙̜o̼,͍̱͓̦̥͍ T̼̠h̹͈̖e̳͍͈ ͙̰̭͍D̤͔̱͍̝͚͎o̞̖̹̖͉̦̱c̣͚̘̮t̺͓o͓̱͚͕̗̙r̭͈͖̪.͍͎̘̟̘̯̬

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,861

@262,855 (C)
What if it was in Antarctica? It's in none of those places so your strawman argument doesn't apply.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 50 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,862

@262,859 (B)
Alcoholics and pill heads are a risk as well. Also, smoking a joint on 4/20 doesnt make you a druggie, grandma. damnlol

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 35 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,863

@262,861 (A)
So would you fire them because pot makes them poor workers or because pot is illegal?

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 1 second later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,864

By the way, @OP, I am a senior employee where I work. I've written people up for showing up hungover. I don't give a fuck about my subordinates smoking weed in their spare time, because it doesn't affect their performance. Someone who is hungover is much more likely to fuck up than someone who smokes weed in their free time.

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,865

@262,858 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
People acting strangely or under-productive should be observed more closely and more likely for review. I'm sorry you want to enable drug addicts to abuse and then feel entitled to a job.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,866

@previous (A)
Acting strangely? If you can do your job while hungover than no one gives a shit. Alcohol isnt illegal, so if you were tested and it showed just a small amount from the night before, than you couldn't be fired for it.

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,867

@262,862 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
> Alcoholics and pill heads are a risk as well.
Of course.

> Also, smoking a joint on 4/20 doesnt make you a druggie, grandma. damnlol
See you in five years, druggie.

C͓i̤a̘̙͇̣̝o̰̩͔̘̰͕,̭̖̻ ̹̫͙̣̩̞̜T̰̱̱͙̞͍̫h͎̙̭ẹ ̟͍͎D̠̬͚͖̟͙ͅoc̠ṯ̫̯o̫̣̬̜̼r̳̪̫.͎̮̦̱̺͖ͅ

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,868

@262,865 (A)
Good job at repeating yourself. You cannot be fired for being hungover if the hangover doesnt affect your work performance.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 48 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,869

@262,864 (C)
Op clearly runs a multiple person operation, and has the authority to hire and fire as he pleases. lol

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,870

@262,867 (B)
Not if I'm dead from a pot overdose first. lol

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,871

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
> strawman

C͔͎͍̟̙͇i̠͓̥̦ḁ̱̘͔o̱͎͔̫̤,̠͓͖̰ ̳͎͈̥̳̭ͅT̫͉̼͓̤h̟̜̮̘͚e̘̬̻ ̥̼̤̫͙̥̟D̮̬͓̖͉o͉̞̣̦̜̪c̟̗̤͔t̩͔̺̲̣͉o͎͙͕r.͖̭

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,872

@previous (B)
Nope. Perhaps I'll accidentally smoke too many joints, and jump out a window while I hallucinate that I can fly.

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,873

@262,865 (A)
> drug addicts
> pot smokers

Choose one and only one

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 14 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,874

@262,871 (B)
Nope. Perhaps I'll accidentally smoke too many joints one day, and jump out a window while I hallucinate that I can fly.

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,875

@262,872 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Or maybe you'll turn up to work one day with bloodshot eyes and a huffy attitude and you'll get fired anyway. The sooner the better.

C͍̳͓̯͚̥i̹ḁ̝̳͓o̘,̙̜ ͎̰̘T̞̩͇͍͉̞̞h̪̞̞͇̼͔e̫͔͚̲̞̤ ̗̝̖̗͔̺Do̝͔͔̼̱̥c͔̲tor̘.̭̲͉̫

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,876

Op I think that they should come up with a drug test that detects alcohol usage in a twelve hour period. Then they can shit can all of those unproductive boozers.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,877

@262,875 (B)
Like people who drink right? Or people who take pills, or people who stay up playing video games?

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,878

@262,876 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
It's called an ETG test, and it can detect alcohol use for up to 80 hours.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_glucuronide

(Edited 1 minute later.)

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,879

@262,877 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Nation of manchildren, is what it is.

Cị̖̦͖̺̳ạ̙͎͎o͍̘̣͇̟, ̲̤̼̦T̯̜̖̫̥h̫͈͔e ͔̝̣͇͔̺D͈̙͈̥̻o̜͕̬̦̱c̮̩t̳͉̥̻̭̻̘ọr̠͎͎͇̠.̻̗̙

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,881

@262,875 (B)
Hey if this is how it works, than why would you even need drug testing at all? Wouldnt these work reviews weed out all of the druggies?

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,882

@262,878 (C)
Yes, we should enforce this. People would be screaming about civil liberties, whilst cuddling their oak aged best friends.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 13 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,883

@262,879 (B)
Every nation?

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,885

@262,881 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
And get a civil lawsuit up your ass because some entitled manchild felt singled out by his boss?

C̘̭ia̦̞̭o̭̯̟,̮̱͖̳̟̠ ̣̥̻T̩̖̮h̲̙̙e͎̪͓̣͎̼ D̻̬͎̦̭̞oc̤t͎̝͖̳o͚͓r͈̻̮͍͈͉.̟̩͔͚͖

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,887

@262,883 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
America, and most of the rest of the Western world.

C͚̯̹̪̦ͅi̤̩̼͉̩a̰̦̪̥̞̝̜o̖̣͙ͅ, ̠̬̰T͔̻he͙̱̘͉ ͙͈̠̥͍ͅͅḎ̭̥̬o̮̣ͅct͙̩̲͈̖͇or̪͖̫.̦̦̯̤̘͎̠

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,893

@262,885 (B)
Well why shouldnt it be risked? Alcohol makes you less productive, and druggies deserved to be fired.

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,894

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
> implying I've defended alcohol

C͍i̝̥̘ͅa̦̖̝͙o͉, ̖͉̤̤̠T͍h͎e͖̖͇̲̬ ̦Ḍ̪̭̻̯͙o̺̭̩̪͍c̻͈t̖̲̼͖͍̬͓o̫̲̬̜̤r̭͈̠.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,895

@262,887 (B)
Very true. But we need to stand by our principles. We cant let the boozers call the shots.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,896

@262,894 (B)
Nope

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 29 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,897

Hey op, we should make a test for catching people who eat high calorie foods. Because being obese makes you less productive.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

·Anonymous B — 13.4 years ago, 16 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,898

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,900

@previous (B)
That is really cool. I have to admit

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,903

@262,882 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
Yep. For what it's worth, I've seen far more people get canned for alcohol related stuff than for weed as it is. It's funny how @OP went silent all of a sudden. His troll thread sort of backfired.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,907

@previous (C)
I've seen this as well. I've also seen many surly drunks, but no aggressive potheads.

·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #262,909

@262,903 (C)
If it backfired, why do you keep replying? I'm sorry that you think random drug testing is such a bad thing. Maybe you have something to hide?

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #262,911

@previous (A)
You're so emotional. You'd make a horrible manager.

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #262,914

@262,909 (A)
I smoke weed, and my employers know it. I have no problem with random drug testing, by the way. I work for a progressive company that has no problem with marijuana.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #262,916

@262,911 (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
lol, he probably couldn't even manage a Taco Bell.

·kook !!u4KQvs2JM — 13.4 years ago, 40 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #262,926

@previous (C)
Everyone who works there is a gateway drug user. He'd never be able to handle it.

·Anonymous C — 13.4 years ago, 48 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #262,932

@previous (kook !!u4KQvs2JM)
lol

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