Topic: Why do people believe that Mormons are Christians?
+Anonymous A — 13.5 years ago #18,658
Like Mittens Romney for instance.
+Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later[T] [B] #227,679
Probably for the same reasons that people don't ostracise Scientologists more often.
+Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 — 13.5 years ago, 7 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,681
America is not a reading culture.
Books are being replaced by brain wave killing kindles.
Books are being replaced by brain wave killing kindles.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,683
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,684
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,687
@previous (B)
Its one of the reasons that I hate Tom Cruise now. I just finished that Jenna Miscaviege book, and the children in the cult are forced to do hard labor constantly.
Its one of the reasons that I hate Tom Cruise now. I just finished that Jenna Miscaviege book, and the children in the cult are forced to do hard labor constantly.
+cup !J8KdupVDQY — 13.5 years ago, 3 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,688
@OPWhat difference does it make? It's still a religion and should be eradicated just like the rest.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,690
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,692
@227,687 (A)
David is an absolute piece of shit. Fucking scumbag deserves worse than the death penalty.
David is an absolute piece of shit. Fucking scumbag deserves worse than the death penalty.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,693
@previous (B)
I agree. He probably murdered his wife, and stalked Tom Cruise until he rejoined the cult.
I agree. He probably murdered his wife, and stalked Tom Cruise until he rejoined the cult.
+Anonymous E — 13.5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,694
because mormonism is a cult that uses christian terms and isnt over-the-top lunacy*
*compared to gems like scientology and heavens gate
*compared to gems like scientology and heavens gate
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,698
@227,693 (A)
What is this book you are talking about, btw? Sorry for de-railing this thread with Scientology posts. I just find the whole history of the Sea Org to be appalling.
What is this book you are talking about, btw? Sorry for de-railing this thread with Scientology posts. I just find the whole history of the Sea Org to be appalling.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 4 seconds later, 34 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,699
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,701
@227,698 (B)
Oh you arent derailing. It's called "Beyond Belief". Here are some quotes from the book, it's pretty good if you like this sort of thing.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/09/10-juiciest-bits-from-ex-scientologist-s-tell-all-beyond-belief.html
Oh you arent derailing. It's called "Beyond Belief". Here are some quotes from the book, it's pretty good if you like this sort of thing.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/09/10-juiciest-bits-from-ex-scientologist-s-tell-all-beyond-belief.html
·Anonymous E — 13.5 years ago, 10 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,708
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,712
@227,701 (A)
I am very interested in human rights and cults of this nature, but I prefer reading about them in the past tense. Knowing that Sea Org still carries 6,000 members indicates that we can only imagine what kind of level of abuse is happening all the time still to this day. It makes me physically ill knowing that these high-level criminals are still allowed to do this shit without consequence.
I am very interested in human rights and cults of this nature, but I prefer reading about them in the past tense. Knowing that Sea Org still carries 6,000 members indicates that we can only imagine what kind of level of abuse is happening all the time still to this day. It makes me physically ill knowing that these high-level criminals are still allowed to do this shit without consequence.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,719
@227,708 (E)
Too bad. I'm fucking obsessed with Jim Jones, and listen to the Jonestown suicide tape when I feel stressed out at work.
Too bad. I'm fucking obsessed with Jim Jones, and listen to the Jonestown suicide tape when I feel stressed out at work.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #227,721
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #227,728
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #227,731
@previous (B)
omg the stories of putting children into a dark, water filled anchor locker overnight for hours. I almost vomited.
omg the stories of putting children into a dark, water filled anchor locker overnight for hours. I almost vomited.
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #227,738
@previous (A)
What's truly disheartening is the fact that Miscavige himself also actively participates in this stuff. There's a special place in Hell for people like that.
What's truly disheartening is the fact that Miscavige himself also actively participates in this stuff. There's a special place in Hell for people like that.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #227,749
@previous (B)
He actually started out working under Lron Hubbard, who was balls to the walls crazy. This almost makes me wish that hell existed.
He actually started out working under Lron Hubbard, who was balls to the walls crazy. This almost makes me wish that hell existed.
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #227,753
@previous (A)
On the topic of preferential treatment of celebrities, that story about Miscavige ordering members to plant a field full of flowers over one night for Tom Cruise to woo Nicole Kidman is always seemingly hard to believe. Then I remember that truth is stranger than fiction and those reports by several members saying he ordered them to do it completely over night, didn't like it and had it all removed. Fucking crazy.
On the topic of preferential treatment of celebrities, that story about Miscavige ordering members to plant a field full of flowers over one night for Tom Cruise to woo Nicole Kidman is always seemingly hard to believe. Then I remember that truth is stranger than fiction and those reports by several members saying he ordered them to do it completely over night, didn't like it and had it all removed. Fucking crazy.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #227,761
@previous (B)Slave labor was used to make him motorcycles, for free, and he knew about it.
http://gawker.com/5757217/tom-cruises-favorite-toys-were-built-for-free-by-scientology-slaves
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #227,765
@previous (A)
What was that joke that Stephen Colbert did about Church IP's being banned on Wikipedia? That the first indication that Tom Cruise's height had been altered? Lol.
Shame that Danny Masterson is among their ranks. I always liked his work.
What was that joke that Stephen Colbert did about Church IP's being banned on Wikipedia? That the first indication that Tom Cruise's height had been altered? Lol.
Shame that Danny Masterson is among their ranks. I always liked his work.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,803
@previous (B)
They had been deleting all criticism about Scientology. I like Leah Remini from King of Queens, and Saved by the Bell. She's a Scientology, and it saddens me.
They had been deleting all criticism about Scientology. I like Leah Remini from King of Queens, and Saved by the Bell. She's a Scientology, and it saddens me.
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,806
@previous (A)
(I think) in Masterson's defense both he and his brother Christopher (who played Francis from Malcolm in the Middle) were born into it so I can't fault them too much. I don't know how anyone can be swindled by such obvious fraudulent bullshit invented by a drunk and on drugs (and very shitty) science fiction writer.
Have you ever read any of Hubbard's fiction? It's a fucking nightmare to sift through.
(I think) in Masterson's defense both he and his brother Christopher (who played Francis from Malcolm in the Middle) were born into it so I can't fault them too much. I don't know how anyone can be swindled by such obvious fraudulent bullshit invented by a drunk and on drugs (and very shitty) science fiction writer.
Have you ever read any of Hubbard's fiction? It's a fucking nightmare to sift through.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 38 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,835
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,842
@previous (A)
Battlefield Earth is complete garbage.
Why anyone follows this man is completely beyond me. Did you know that one of his affiliated churches (Church of Spiritual Technology) has his work engraved on steel plates and encased in titanium? They are buried in a vault in Las Vegas, which, I kid you not, has a bull-dozed section to feature the church's logo to be viewed from outer space?
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=35%C2%B031%2728.56%22N+104%C2%B034%2720.20%22W&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.525643,-104.570575&spn=0.005772,0.013937&sll=35.508509,-104.552636&sspn=0.011546,0.027874&t=h&z=17
I mean, holy fucking shit.
Battlefield Earth is complete garbage.
Why anyone follows this man is completely beyond me. Did you know that one of his affiliated churches (Church of Spiritual Technology) has his work engraved on steel plates and encased in titanium? They are buried in a vault in Las Vegas, which, I kid you not, has a bull-dozed section to feature the church's logo to be viewed from outer space?
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=35%C2%B031%2728.56%22N+104%C2%B034%2720.20%22W&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.525643,-104.570575&spn=0.005772,0.013937&sll=35.508509,-104.552636&sspn=0.011546,0.027874&t=h&z=17
I mean, holy fucking shit.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,845
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,849
@previous (A)
What surprises me most about that fact alone is how people can look at that and honestly think "this isn't a UFO religion". I mean, it's plain as day with that alone. Nevermind the bullshit Xenu story.
Ironically enough, one of LRH's sons committed suicide in the same city.
What surprises me most about that fact alone is how people can look at that and honestly think "this isn't a UFO religion". I mean, it's plain as day with that alone. Nevermind the bullshit Xenu story.
Ironically enough, one of LRH's sons committed suicide in the same city.
+Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,850
@previous (B)
People like to be obedient to really stupid people. They slave away for idiots. The whole world.
People like to be obedient to really stupid people. They slave away for idiots. The whole world.
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,851
@previous (F)
world_full_of_fucktards.jpg
In contrast, I hope that since the spread of public information this sadistic cult full of shitheads comes to an end within my lifetime. As terrible as it sounds, I await the day when Miscavige dies to see how they scramble for a new leader, similar to North Korean fashion, and eventually fall apart because people won't put up this tripe anymore. People's Temple ended with Jim Jones, it's only fitting that it might end with their "second messiah" so to speak.
world_full_of_fucktards.jpg
In contrast, I hope that since the spread of public information this sadistic cult full of shitheads comes to an end within my lifetime. As terrible as it sounds, I await the day when Miscavige dies to see how they scramble for a new leader, similar to North Korean fashion, and eventually fall apart because people won't put up this tripe anymore. People's Temple ended with Jim Jones, it's only fitting that it might end with their "second messiah" so to speak.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 15 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,855
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,859
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,865
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 29 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,866
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 23 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,868
@227,855 (A)
Who? Jones or Miscavige? It was Miscavige's father who turned him onto this bullshit IIRC.
I'll have to see if I can find a digital copy of that book. The apostates from within their extended cult family are always interesting, albeit depressing. Saddens me to know that it still exists/is thriving in our modern world. Jones will forever be a timepiece, but this legacy of nonsense is just too much to digest at times.
Who? Jones or Miscavige? It was Miscavige's father who turned him onto this bullshit IIRC.
I'll have to see if I can find a digital copy of that book. The apostates from within their extended cult family are always interesting, albeit depressing. Saddens me to know that it still exists/is thriving in our modern world. Jones will forever be a timepiece, but this legacy of nonsense is just too much to digest at times.
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,869
@227,865 (A)
Your kid could be a furry, which is worse than gay, but not as bad as brony. Very close though.
Your kid could be a furry, which is worse than gay, but not as bad as brony. Very close though.
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 55 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,872
Proof furries are worse than Scientologists.
(No furries on TC, nigga.)
(No furries on TC, nigga.)
(Edited 1 hour later.)
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,877
@previous (F)
Fuck off with your bullshit, dude. Everyone is already well aware of this. I suspect you're a closeted furry considering you keep wanting to post this garbage as "proof".
Fuck off with your bullshit, dude. Everyone is already well aware of this. I suspect you're a closeted furry considering you keep wanting to post this garbage as "proof".
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,880
+Syntax — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,885
@OP
> Like Mittens Romney for instance.
Given Christianity is a man made invented religion seems Mormons just added an odd ball branch to it so they could at time allow dudes to have many many wives and many many mother in laws OUCH
> Like Mittens Romney for instance.
Given Christianity is a man made invented religion seems Mormons just added an odd ball branch to it so they could at time allow dudes to have many many wives and many many mother in laws OUCH
+The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.5 years ago, 20 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,886
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 4 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,887
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,897
@previous (A)
I wasn't sure what you meant. I also slightly suspected Miscavige of being a closeted homosexual considering that "disappearance" of his wife. He strikes me as the type who could be a closeted gay man with a lot of issues which he takes out on his fellow members for those obvious reasons. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if he hadn't already personally murdered several people by throwing them off of the Sea Org vessel in international waters then covered it up within his members.
L. Ron Hubbard supposedly had many young girls in hot pants and short skirts deliver him daily messages while he was alive on that ship, so I also suspect there was plenty of pedophilia happening behind closed doors.
I wasn't sure what you meant. I also slightly suspected Miscavige of being a closeted homosexual considering that "disappearance" of his wife. He strikes me as the type who could be a closeted gay man with a lot of issues which he takes out on his fellow members for those obvious reasons. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if he hadn't already personally murdered several people by throwing them off of the Sea Org vessel in international waters then covered it up within his members.
L. Ron Hubbard supposedly had many young girls in hot pants and short skirts deliver him daily messages while he was alive on that ship, so I also suspect there was plenty of pedophilia happening behind closed doors.
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,908
@227,886 (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
Why are you always in a bad mood, Jer? Does your life make you unhappy?
Why are you always in a bad mood, Jer? Does your life make you unhappy?
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 21 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,929
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,933
@previous (A)
What is your opinion on Free Zone? While I am certainly for freedom of religious expression, I have mixed feelings about it.
What is your opinion on Free Zone? While I am certainly for freedom of religious expression, I have mixed feelings about it.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.5 years ago, 39 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,934
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #227,941
@227,929 (A)
It's also been commented about elsewhere. Here's a reference in a Wikipedia article from Hubbard's own son talking about his father's pedophilia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_DeWolf#Comments_about_his_father
It's also been commented about elsewhere. Here's a reference in a Wikipedia article from Hubbard's own son talking about his father's pedophilia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_DeWolf#Comments_about_his_father
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 10 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,137
+ !ToastR0A6k — 13.5 years ago, 2 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,382
No matter how evil scientology is, The Family International is just worse. In every way.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,384
· !ToastR0A6k — 13.5 years ago, 30 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,401
@previous (A)
Not in any official way anymore... the official line now is that toddlers aren't sex toys anymore and cp is bad. They also do not officially require women to prostitute themselves out to fund raise, proslytize, or create new jesus baby members anymore.
Now they just masturbate and pretend they're women because masturbation is sex with jesus and jesus isn't a dirty homo.
Not in any official way anymore... the official line now is that toddlers aren't sex toys anymore and cp is bad. They also do not officially require women to prostitute themselves out to fund raise, proslytize, or create new jesus baby members anymore.
Now they just masturbate and pretend they're women because masturbation is sex with jesus and jesus isn't a dirty homo.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,403
@previous (!ToastR0A6k)
lol Have you seen some of those newsletters about little Davidito? Holy crap!
lol Have you seen some of those newsletters about little Davidito? Holy crap!
(Edited 7 seconds later.)
· !ToastR0A6k — 13.5 years ago, 10 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,405
@previous (A)
Careful, unedited ones may have pretty graphic cp. :(
He is one of the really rare cases of people I wish had gotten to all there targets in their murder suicide runs. My interest in the cult peaked about the time he showed up on some of the support sites for ex-members right before he went after the leadership.
I was a regular lurker in alt.religion.scientology when the scienos started their hardcore attacks, it was interesting.
My interest in scientology peaked again when Lerma showed up on Something Awful. A few scienos became regulars in the threads. They weren't attacking, but you can't hide your programming. They were as obvious as fatfuck.
The tone scale doesn't exist outside scientology wet dreams, doesn't work in actual conversation, and makes you obvious to anyone who has spent any tims reading about the shit.
Careful, unedited ones may have pretty graphic cp. :(
He is one of the really rare cases of people I wish had gotten to all there targets in their murder suicide runs. My interest in the cult peaked about the time he showed up on some of the support sites for ex-members right before he went after the leadership.
I was a regular lurker in alt.religion.scientology when the scienos started their hardcore attacks, it was interesting.
My interest in scientology peaked again when Lerma showed up on Something Awful. A few scienos became regulars in the threads. They weren't attacking, but you can't hide your programming. They were as obvious as fatfuck.
The tone scale doesn't exist outside scientology wet dreams, doesn't work in actual conversation, and makes you obvious to anyone who has spent any tims reading about the shit.
+Anonymous J — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,406
> Why do people believe that Mormons are Christians
> Mormons are Christians
> Mormons Christians
> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> Jesus Christ
> Christ
> Mormons are Christians
> Mormons Christians
> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> Jesus Christ
> Christ
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,407
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 43 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,408
·Anonymous J — 13.5 years ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,500
@228,407 (A)
idgaf what you definitionfags are saying. 100 years ago, the word Christian didn't even really exist. One wasn't a "Christian", one was a Roman Catholic or an Orthodox or a Protestant or a Baptist or an Episcopalian etc. If you were to suggest to one group that they were basically the same thing as another, (i.e. the modern concept of "Christian") they would be furious. Mor(m)ons believe Jospeh Smith was a (latter-day) saint (lol) but still believe Jesus is their savior and most important figure (lol). That last fact makes them Christians in my book, no matter what you, or they themselves are saying.
idgaf what you definitionfags are saying. 100 years ago, the word Christian didn't even really exist. One wasn't a "Christian", one was a Roman Catholic or an Orthodox or a Protestant or a Baptist or an Episcopalian etc. If you were to suggest to one group that they were basically the same thing as another, (i.e. the modern concept of "Christian") they would be furious. Mor(m)ons believe Jospeh Smith was a (latter-day) saint (lol) but still believe Jesus is their savior and most important figure (lol). That last fact makes them Christians in my book, no matter what you, or they themselves are saying.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,504
They absolutely dont believe that Jesus was the most important figure. In your opinion, s it possible to define the term Christian?
·Anonymous J — 13.5 years ago, 12 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,519
@previous (A)> They absolutely dont believe that Jesus was the most important figure. In your opinion, s it possible to define the term Christian?
Time for you to go edit Wikipedia then. Come back and tell me when your're done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mormonism&action=edit§ion=9
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,524
@previous (J)
Yeah, that doesn't mean that he is the highest of the high in that religion. They dont believe that Christ started Mormonism but Adam did, and they also believe in multiple gods. Mormons like to pay lip service to Christians because it makes them look mainstream.
Yeah, that doesn't mean that he is the highest of the high in that religion. They dont believe that Christ started Mormonism but Adam did, and they also believe in multiple gods. Mormons like to pay lip service to Christians because it makes them look mainstream.
· !ToastR0A6k — 13.5 years ago, 55 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,526
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,529
@228,519 (J)
Also, their biggest holiday isnt about Jesus at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Day_(Utah)
Also, their biggest holiday isnt about Jesus at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Day_(Utah)
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,535
Joseph Smith based his religion on Christianity by claiming that he could read hieroglyphics, and saying that a papyrus with the book of the dead was actually the story of Abraham.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 29 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,537
@228,526 (!ToastR0A6k)
Did you ever see that documentary about Davidito where he tried to find and murder his molesting mother?
Did you ever see that documentary about Davidito where he tried to find and murder his molesting mother?
· !ToastR0A6k — 13.5 years ago, 13 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,555
@previous (A)
No. I saw his mental state before he went hunting (possibly on xfamily), reports that he did what he did, and the whole thing got too morbid to follow for me.
I don't have any deeper knowledge, I just lurked out of curiosity, same with scientology. With scientology understanding comes the ability to mess with their programming. Yo u can get them into an endless loop or move around the tone scale predictably. Its not as fun with sea org drones. They got roped in without the hundreds of thousands of dollars needex to buy standing and had to sign billion year contracts. It got too depressing, too. Lisa McPherson was just a symptom.
No. I saw his mental state before he went hunting (possibly on xfamily), reports that he did what he did, and the whole thing got too morbid to follow for me.
I don't have any deeper knowledge, I just lurked out of curiosity, same with scientology. With scientology understanding comes the ability to mess with their programming. Yo u can get them into an endless loop or move around the tone scale predictably. Its not as fun with sea org drones. They got roped in without the hundreds of thousands of dollars needex to buy standing and had to sign billion year contracts. It got too depressing, too. Lisa McPherson was just a symptom.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,559
@previous (!ToastR0A6k)
I love morbid things. that Lisa Mcpherson business happened at our huge Scientology base in Clearwater. Are you a fan of Derren Brown? I'm trying to learn cold reading, mood manipulation.
I love morbid things. that Lisa Mcpherson business happened at our huge Scientology base in Clearwater. Are you a fan of Derren Brown? I'm trying to learn cold reading, mood manipulation.
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 42 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,643
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,644
@previous (B)
yeah, they had claimed they were taking good care of her (with Miscaviage personally overseeing her auditing) but she was dehydrated, eating her own waste, and covered with roach bites. Where in the fuck were they keeping her?!
yeah, they had claimed they were taking good care of her (with Miscaviage personally overseeing her auditing) but she was dehydrated, eating her own waste, and covered with roach bites. Where in the fuck were they keeping her?!
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 44 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,646
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 17 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,647
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 57 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,649
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,652
@228,644 (A)
These scumbags know no boundaries. I almost completely forgot about the fact that FREECOG had merged with Cult Awareness Network, and when they went bankrupt their materials were bought by the CoS. That and the old Windows software they distributed to members in order to filter web results about critisms against the Church.
These scumbags know no boundaries. I almost completely forgot about the fact that FREECOG had merged with Cult Awareness Network, and when they went bankrupt their materials were bought by the CoS. That and the old Windows software they distributed to members in order to filter web results about critisms against the Church.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,653
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 6 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,660
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 33 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,661
http://www.lisamcpherson.org
On December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson was dead on arrival at a hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater Florida. According to the coroner's report, Lisa was underweight, severely dehydrated, and had bruises and bug bites. Scientologists chose to pass three hospitals en route to New Port Richey Hospital, where Scientologist Dr. David Minkoff was on duty. They could have gone to Morton Plant Hospital, only six minutes away.
Lisa's last address was listed by the police as 210 S. Ft. Harrison in Clearwater Florida, which is the Fort Harrison Hotel, a Scientology property. Lisa had been a Scientologist from the age of 18 to her death at age 36.
According to Marc Headley's book, Blown for Good, in 1995 Scientology leader David Miscavige publicly stated that he would supervise Lisa McPherson's processing in Scientology (p.177). In the summer of 1995 Lisa had some psychotic problems. In September 1995 she was declared "clear," (allegedly by Miscavige himself) which is a major accomplishment in Scientology processing.) In November Lisa began displaying psychotic problems again.
On November 18, 1995, Lisa was involved in a minor car accident. She was apparently not hurt, but she got out of her car and took all her clothes off and seemed mentally unstable. She was taken to a hospital where she was physically evaluated as being unharmed, but the hospital wanted her to be psychologically cared for. However, some Scientologists arrived and stated that Lisa did not believe in psychiatry, and she checked out after a short evaluation and left with the Scientologists against the attending doctor's advice. She went with them to Room 174 of the Ft. Harrison Hotel for "rest and relaxation" according to the church, but church logs from Lisa's stay there from November 18 to her death December 5 show differently. Lisa was put on the Introspection Rundown that Scientology uses to handle those who have had a psychotic break. Some logs are missing, and a high ranking ex-Scientologist has written an affidavit in which he claims that the church has in the past destroyed documents that might get the church in trouble. Marty Rathbun, a former high-ranking Scientologist, revealed that he was responsible for the missing records;
"Rathbun concluded the notes had to go. 'I said, "Lose ’em" and walked out of the room,' he recalled, adding that the decision to destroy the records was his own." (St. Petersburg Times, June 22, 2009)
Did Miscavige's supervision of Lisa's case contribute to her mental problems? Headley says as far as he knew Miscavige was not trained to be a case supervisor (p. 176). "David Miscavige had messed up big time. He knew it, and a lot of people that worked with him, for him and around him, knew it." (p.180) Marty Rathbun states that "Lisa McPherson was killed at the Flag Land Base. David Miscavige killed Lisa McPherson."
The family of Lisa McPherson sued Scientology and individuals involved for wrongful death, while Scientology claimed it did nothing wrong toward Lisa. Former Scientologist Mark Fisher claims that Scientology used operatives to prevent some former members from helping the prosecution. Settlement talks were completed after being forced by the court, (Civil Case settled 5/28/04). Scientology had a web page (removed or moved) that smeared Lisa's aunt and attorney.
On November 13, 1998, Scientology was indicted on 2 felony charges in Lisa's death. On December 6, 1999, prosecutor Bernie McCabe presented a response to Scientology's attempt to get the case dismissed.
On June 12, 2000 the criminal charges were dropped against Scientology because (so the prosecutor claims) the medical examiner could not be counted on to confidently testify, even though the criminal charges were abuse of a disabled person and practicing medicine without a license. You can read much of the Clearwater police department's evidence and Scientology's logs of Lisa's stay, view some of the autopsy photos, and decide for yourself. Then ask why Scientology now makes members sign a waiver specifically against suing Scientology over the Introspection Rundown:
Lisa clause or Lisa McPherson clause: an adhesion clause to insulate one party from all damages, including personal injury or death, from known and unknown conduct of commission or omission of the party so released. An "adhesion clause" is a recognized legal term which means "take it or leave it", i.e., that the party signing the agreement has no bargaining power and therefore no alternative but to include the clause in the agreement.
David Miscavige, meanwhile, spoke to the faithful and claimed Lisa's death was a conspiracy by Eli Lilly, the German government, and others.
Scientologist OT 8 Dr. David I. Minkoff had his license suspended on August 3, 2001 for one year and was fined for prescribing medicine to Lisa without even seeing her at the request of Lisa's "caretakers."
In 2012 information came to light that Scientology allegedly spent more than $30 million to silence the Lisa McPherson case. Miscavige allegedly tried to talk to the judge in her case outside of court. Church funds were funneled, says an ex member, from expenses to legal defense. Scientology is still obsessing over the death of Lisa.
From a Februray 2013 news account in Australia, it appears that Scientology still holds people in isolation.
On December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson was dead on arrival at a hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater Florida. According to the coroner's report, Lisa was underweight, severely dehydrated, and had bruises and bug bites. Scientologists chose to pass three hospitals en route to New Port Richey Hospital, where Scientologist Dr. David Minkoff was on duty. They could have gone to Morton Plant Hospital, only six minutes away.
Lisa's last address was listed by the police as 210 S. Ft. Harrison in Clearwater Florida, which is the Fort Harrison Hotel, a Scientology property. Lisa had been a Scientologist from the age of 18 to her death at age 36.
According to Marc Headley's book, Blown for Good, in 1995 Scientology leader David Miscavige publicly stated that he would supervise Lisa McPherson's processing in Scientology (p.177). In the summer of 1995 Lisa had some psychotic problems. In September 1995 she was declared "clear," (allegedly by Miscavige himself) which is a major accomplishment in Scientology processing.) In November Lisa began displaying psychotic problems again.
On November 18, 1995, Lisa was involved in a minor car accident. She was apparently not hurt, but she got out of her car and took all her clothes off and seemed mentally unstable. She was taken to a hospital where she was physically evaluated as being unharmed, but the hospital wanted her to be psychologically cared for. However, some Scientologists arrived and stated that Lisa did not believe in psychiatry, and she checked out after a short evaluation and left with the Scientologists against the attending doctor's advice. She went with them to Room 174 of the Ft. Harrison Hotel for "rest and relaxation" according to the church, but church logs from Lisa's stay there from November 18 to her death December 5 show differently. Lisa was put on the Introspection Rundown that Scientology uses to handle those who have had a psychotic break. Some logs are missing, and a high ranking ex-Scientologist has written an affidavit in which he claims that the church has in the past destroyed documents that might get the church in trouble. Marty Rathbun, a former high-ranking Scientologist, revealed that he was responsible for the missing records;
"Rathbun concluded the notes had to go. 'I said, "Lose ’em" and walked out of the room,' he recalled, adding that the decision to destroy the records was his own." (St. Petersburg Times, June 22, 2009)
Did Miscavige's supervision of Lisa's case contribute to her mental problems? Headley says as far as he knew Miscavige was not trained to be a case supervisor (p. 176). "David Miscavige had messed up big time. He knew it, and a lot of people that worked with him, for him and around him, knew it." (p.180) Marty Rathbun states that "Lisa McPherson was killed at the Flag Land Base. David Miscavige killed Lisa McPherson."
The family of Lisa McPherson sued Scientology and individuals involved for wrongful death, while Scientology claimed it did nothing wrong toward Lisa. Former Scientologist Mark Fisher claims that Scientology used operatives to prevent some former members from helping the prosecution. Settlement talks were completed after being forced by the court, (Civil Case settled 5/28/04). Scientology had a web page (removed or moved) that smeared Lisa's aunt and attorney.
On November 13, 1998, Scientology was indicted on 2 felony charges in Lisa's death. On December 6, 1999, prosecutor Bernie McCabe presented a response to Scientology's attempt to get the case dismissed.
On June 12, 2000 the criminal charges were dropped against Scientology because (so the prosecutor claims) the medical examiner could not be counted on to confidently testify, even though the criminal charges were abuse of a disabled person and practicing medicine without a license. You can read much of the Clearwater police department's evidence and Scientology's logs of Lisa's stay, view some of the autopsy photos, and decide for yourself. Then ask why Scientology now makes members sign a waiver specifically against suing Scientology over the Introspection Rundown:
Lisa clause or Lisa McPherson clause: an adhesion clause to insulate one party from all damages, including personal injury or death, from known and unknown conduct of commission or omission of the party so released. An "adhesion clause" is a recognized legal term which means "take it or leave it", i.e., that the party signing the agreement has no bargaining power and therefore no alternative but to include the clause in the agreement.
David Miscavige, meanwhile, spoke to the faithful and claimed Lisa's death was a conspiracy by Eli Lilly, the German government, and others.
Scientologist OT 8 Dr. David I. Minkoff had his license suspended on August 3, 2001 for one year and was fined for prescribing medicine to Lisa without even seeing her at the request of Lisa's "caretakers."
In 2012 information came to light that Scientology allegedly spent more than $30 million to silence the Lisa McPherson case. Miscavige allegedly tried to talk to the judge in her case outside of court. Church funds were funneled, says an ex member, from expenses to legal defense. Scientology is still obsessing over the death of Lisa.
From a Februray 2013 news account in Australia, it appears that Scientology still holds people in isolation.
·Anonymous F — 13.5 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,664
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 53 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,667
· !ToastR0A6k — 13.5 years ago, 37 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,715
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 10 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,725
@previous (!ToastR0A6k)
It's not so much ironic as it is obvious what kind of mischief these people do.
It's not so much ironic as it is obvious what kind of mischief these people do.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.5 years ago, 27 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #228,779
@previous (B)
I guess that they also scammed 9/11 first responders with bullshit detoxification rituals.
I guess that they also scammed 9/11 first responders with bullshit detoxification rituals.
·Anonymous B — 13.5 years ago, 3 days later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #231,241
@OP
Have you ever heard of Warren Jeffs, leader of the Fundamental Mormon Church? He and his father are heavily pro-polygamy (70+ wives) although his son has a penchant for young boys too, it seems. He was arrested in 2006 and since then makes writings saying he speaks directly for Jesus Christ and among other imperatives this includes setting himself free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs
Documentary about people who have survived cults, first part is about the aforementioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc7_032DRWc
Have you ever heard of Warren Jeffs, leader of the Fundamental Mormon Church? He and his father are heavily pro-polygamy (70+ wives) although his son has a penchant for young boys too, it seems. He was arrested in 2006 and since then makes writings saying he speaks directly for Jesus Christ and among other imperatives this includes setting himself free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs
Documentary about people who have survived cults, first part is about the aforementioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc7_032DRWc
+Anonymous K — 13.5 years ago, 17 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #231,260
·Anonymous K — 13.5 years ago, 19 hours later, 4 days after the original post[T] [B] #231,618
@231,241 (B)
Turns out that I had seen this, but I watched it again. I love how Warren Jeffs called himself the prophet, but butt raped his underaged male relatives. Can you imagine how horrible that was? This boy was trapped in a compound where all of the followers, had pics of Jeffs on the walls of every room of their homes, so that he was forced to see his rapist constantly.
Turns out that I had seen this, but I watched it again. I love how Warren Jeffs called himself the prophet, but butt raped his underaged male relatives. Can you imagine how horrible that was? This boy was trapped in a compound where all of the followers, had pics of Jeffs on the walls of every room of their homes, so that he was forced to see his rapist constantly.
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