Topic: Syntax, a question
+Anonymous A — 13.6 years ago #18,080
If you make a mistake at work, a catastrophic one, how much money could it cost?
+Anonymous B — 13.6 years ago, 40 minutes later[T] [B] #220,995
Hundreds, if not thousands might die that day.
+Anonymous C — 13.6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #220,997
You know the meteorite over russia the other day? That was syntax
+Syntax — 13.6 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #221,060
@OP
> If you make a mistake at work, a catastrophic one, how much money could it cost?
Depends on how old the Satellite is. If I blow it on a first Gen Satellite ...Those remaining are well beyond end of life expectations. That means there is no known number on its head if I do something to make it die. They all have/had insurance which is a moving number and after that I really have no clue wot one is worth.
The new ones are fully insured. But of course the Insurance company is not about to pay up if the operator is drunk or makes a truly dumb mistrake.
Each weights 700KG and in round numbers its $14,000,000 to launch one. First gen only 4 were launched at a tyme (except for the one launch of 12 which left the ground and ended up back on the ground QUICKLY 2nd stage maybe had no fuel? Now its 6 at one tyme so the cost per is reduced but its still Millions per each to get them UP.
Cost of one brand new one is around $25,000,000
Then their is the profit each one produces and that's a moving target depending on age of each. New ones - remove the possible profit because of a fuck up and that's many millions added but Insurance does not cover future profit losses.
Have people like me fucked up? Yes yes including our US Gov partner NORAD. NORAD Failed to properly calculate the orbit of a Russian Spy Satellite which was a dead duck from the get go. Globalstar competitor is Iridium, a really crappy product but with one or two advantages at tymes. Anyway the Russian Satellite ran right into a Iridium. That for them was a HUGE HUGE Horrid fuck up because the loss of just one of the 66 in orbit killed the whole system until they could re-position a spare and get it in place.
Loss of one of mine does not effect the rest of the system. Loss of many of course does and DID!
One guy I know on a much more expensive GEO failed to pay attention to an alarm re how serious the opening of a valve to vent fuel --- Normally it takes 5 to 7 full command line instructions to do anything. So to turn off the valve would have taken 7 instructions which wood take so much tyme fuel wood be gone gone gone.
Super Admins can override and do it in one command - He could have and I can. Few have the power. He thought it over and fuel ran out and that GEO TV Satellite was dead in space in 9 seconds later. Of course he no longer works for Direct TV.
> If you make a mistake at work, a catastrophic one, how much money could it cost?
Depends on how old the Satellite is. If I blow it on a first Gen Satellite ...Those remaining are well beyond end of life expectations. That means there is no known number on its head if I do something to make it die. They all have/had insurance which is a moving number and after that I really have no clue wot one is worth.
The new ones are fully insured. But of course the Insurance company is not about to pay up if the operator is drunk or makes a truly dumb mistrake.
Each weights 700KG and in round numbers its $14,000,000 to launch one. First gen only 4 were launched at a tyme (except for the one launch of 12 which left the ground and ended up back on the ground QUICKLY 2nd stage maybe had no fuel? Now its 6 at one tyme so the cost per is reduced but its still Millions per each to get them UP.
Cost of one brand new one is around $25,000,000
Then their is the profit each one produces and that's a moving target depending on age of each. New ones - remove the possible profit because of a fuck up and that's many millions added but Insurance does not cover future profit losses.
Have people like me fucked up? Yes yes including our US Gov partner NORAD. NORAD Failed to properly calculate the orbit of a Russian Spy Satellite which was a dead duck from the get go. Globalstar competitor is Iridium, a really crappy product but with one or two advantages at tymes. Anyway the Russian Satellite ran right into a Iridium. That for them was a HUGE HUGE Horrid fuck up because the loss of just one of the 66 in orbit killed the whole system until they could re-position a spare and get it in place.
Loss of one of mine does not effect the rest of the system. Loss of many of course does and DID!
One guy I know on a much more expensive GEO failed to pay attention to an alarm re how serious the opening of a valve to vent fuel --- Normally it takes 5 to 7 full command line instructions to do anything. So to turn off the valve would have taken 7 instructions which wood take so much tyme fuel wood be gone gone gone.
Super Admins can override and do it in one command - He could have and I can. Few have the power. He thought it over and fuel ran out and that GEO TV Satellite was dead in space in 9 seconds later. Of course he no longer works for Direct TV.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.6 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #221,061
@previous (Syntax )
Satellite insurance. That makes sense but sounds so strange. You mention fuel and the time sensitivity. I assume they are solar powered. How much of a charge does one have at a time?
Satellite insurance. That makes sense but sounds so strange. You mention fuel and the time sensitivity. I assume they are solar powered. How much of a charge does one have at a time?
·Syntax — 13.6 years ago, 29 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #221,070
@previous (A)Only the US Gov sends stuff up non insured. No private company does. So one insures a launch. For the first Gen 52 Globalstars, all launches were on Delta II' with total success. One attempt was made on a Russian Zenit MONSTER. That was the one that was supposed to put up 12 at one tyme.
So imaging if insurance did not exist. Company wood be instant BANKRUPT. Actually after I left as an employee it did go bankrupt.
My consulting is split between working for the company and working for the Insurance company. Insurance company payyyys more better but demands more. I also wood never ever send them a simple note of my own ritting. 100% of my written communication including email is passed by an editor for edits.
Yes of course Solar Powered. Position is mostly maintained by Flywheels. One per Axis so three total (unless you dig deeeep into the 10K report) don't expect me to comment if you do. Flywheels are more like caged Gyros. Spin a wheel quickly and you can jump into position quickly. But it cannot long term over come the drag of earth gravity so on occasion some fuel is fired to push the Satellites Up up. Solar Cells at peak can put out around 2.4 KW which is more then contract calls for. Over tyme space dust will degrade output and also Cosmic crap will mess with the cells. Batteries can do a lot more re output.
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