Topic: What is the best form of Govenment?
+Steve Jorbs !C.MxxuCiTo — 15.4 years ago #1,131
Overall best kind, for the people. Socialism? Bureaucracy? Distributionalism?
+Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 1 hour later[T] [B] #15,656
Free-market minarchist republic.
+Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #15,657
> minarchist
wat
wat
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #15,658
@previous (C)
Basically a bare-basics government that only intervenes in theft, assault, murder, etc. One that only provides the bare-basic rights. Think of Hong Kong, or the Netherlands.
Basically a bare-basics government that only intervenes in theft, assault, murder, etc. One that only provides the bare-basic rights. Think of Hong Kong, or the Netherlands.
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+Anonymous D — 15.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #15,660
Christian Socialist Nationalist Limited-Government Free-Market Theonomy
+Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw — 15.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #15,661
Nickalollyoffism.
·grey !C.MxxuCiTo (OP) — 15.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #15,662
@15,658 (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
This actually sounds interesting. How is everything else managed? Elaborate.
This actually sounds interesting. How is everything else managed? Elaborate.
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 21 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #15,663
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #15,665
@15,662 (grey !C.MxxuCiTo)
Schools are provided by the government but will hire competing private for-profit companies to run the schools to make it so the schools have kids learning the most efficiently and to serve to help increase the government surplus. Police are hired by government and ran by competing companies. This will serve to keep the surplus high and to increase efficiency.
Schools are provided by the government but will hire competing private for-profit companies to run the schools to make it so the schools have kids learning the most efficiently and to serve to help increase the government surplus. Police are hired by government and ran by competing companies. This will serve to keep the surplus high and to increase efficiency.
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,670
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,672
@previous (C)
Obviously you did not read the post he was responding to, you utterly brain-damaged sack of shit. Here it is, you worthless faggot.
@15,656 (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
> Free-market minarchist republic
Obviously you did not read the post he was responding to, you utterly brain-damaged sack of shit. Here it is, you worthless faggot.
@15,656 (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
> Free-market minarchist republic
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·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,676
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,677
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 58 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,678
+finland !bofOs07Urg — 15.4 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,679
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,683
@15,678 (C)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism
Holy fuck, you are so stupid, it amases me that you can somehow manage to BREATHE. Goddammit, it's like I'm talking to a fucking quadriplegic retard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism
Holy fuck, you are so stupid, it amases me that you can somehow manage to BREATHE. Goddammit, it's like I'm talking to a fucking quadriplegic retard.
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,735
@previous (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
> uses an obscure portmanteau
> calls everybody who doesn't share his exact views "quadriplegic retards"
> uses an obscure portmanteau
> calls everybody who doesn't share his exact views "quadriplegic retards"
·finland !iZX9l9xKP6 — 15.4 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,742
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 24 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,743
·finland !iZX9l9xKP6 — 15.4 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,745
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 21 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,753
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 15 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,758
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 16 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,762
@previous (C)
Not at all. I am only a relative of him. You're still an irrational dumbfuck and a complete and utter idiot.
Not at all. I am only a relative of him. You're still an irrational dumbfuck and a complete and utter idiot.
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·finland !iZX9l9xKP6 — 15.4 years ago, 48 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,763
@previous (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
Relative? Seriouly?
Let me guess, finnish parent was related to his dead dad, ja?
Relative? Seriouly?
Let me guess, finnish parent was related to his dead dad, ja?
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 34 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,764
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 23 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,776
@15,763 (finland !iZX9l9xKP6)
...
I'd rather not go into detail, but yes. His father was afflicted with Aspergers, but I will state nothing more.
...
I'd rather not go into detail, but yes. His father was afflicted with Aspergers, but I will state nothing more.
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+Anonymous G — 15.4 years ago, 16 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,820
@15,658 (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
> minarchism
> Hong Kong
> "The main explanation for low tax rates [in Hong Kong] . . . is not low social spending. One important factor is that Hong Kong does not have to support a defence industry . . . The most crucial explanation . . . lies in the fact that less than half of the government's revenues comes from direct taxation.
> "The Hong Kong government actually derives much of its revenue from land transactions. The territory's land is technically owned by the government, and the government fills its coffers by selling fifty-year leases to developers (the fact that there are no absolute private property rights to land will come as another surprise to boosters of 'Hong Kong-style' libertarianism) . . . The government has an interest in maintaining high property values . . . if it is to maintain its policy of low taxation. It does this by carefully controlling the amount of land that is released for sale . . . It is, of course, those buying new homes and renting from the private sector who pay the price for this policy. Many Hong Kongers live in third world conditions, and the need to pay astronomical residential property prices is widely viewed as an indirect form of taxation." [Daniel A. Bell, "Hong Kong's Transition to Capitalism", pp. 15-23, Dissent, Winter 1998, pp. 15-6]
> Luckily for many inhabitants of Hong Kong, the state provides a range of social welfare services in housing, education, health care and social security. The government has a very basic, but comprehensive social welfare system. This started in the 1950s, when the government launched one of the largest public housing schemes in history to house the influx of about 2 million people fleeing Communist China. Hong Kong's social welfare system really started in 1973, when the newly appointed governor "announced that public housing, education, medical, and social welfare services would be treated as the four pillars of a fair and caring society." He launched a public housing program and by 1998, 52 percent of the population "live in subsidised housing, most of whom rent flats from the Housing Authority with rents set at one-fifth the market level (the rest have bought subsidised flats under various home-ownership schemes, with prices discounted 50 percent from those in the private sector)." Beyond public housing, Hong Kong "also has most of the standard features of welfare states in Western Europe. There is an excellent public health care system: private hospitals are actually going out of business because clean and efficient public hospitals are well subsidised (the government pays 97 percent of the costs)."
Even more facts here: http://anarchism.ws/faq/secC12.html
> minarchism
> Hong Kong
> "The main explanation for low tax rates [in Hong Kong] . . . is not low social spending. One important factor is that Hong Kong does not have to support a defence industry . . . The most crucial explanation . . . lies in the fact that less than half of the government's revenues comes from direct taxation.
> "The Hong Kong government actually derives much of its revenue from land transactions. The territory's land is technically owned by the government, and the government fills its coffers by selling fifty-year leases to developers (the fact that there are no absolute private property rights to land will come as another surprise to boosters of 'Hong Kong-style' libertarianism) . . . The government has an interest in maintaining high property values . . . if it is to maintain its policy of low taxation. It does this by carefully controlling the amount of land that is released for sale . . . It is, of course, those buying new homes and renting from the private sector who pay the price for this policy. Many Hong Kongers live in third world conditions, and the need to pay astronomical residential property prices is widely viewed as an indirect form of taxation." [Daniel A. Bell, "Hong Kong's Transition to Capitalism", pp. 15-23, Dissent, Winter 1998, pp. 15-6]
> Luckily for many inhabitants of Hong Kong, the state provides a range of social welfare services in housing, education, health care and social security. The government has a very basic, but comprehensive social welfare system. This started in the 1950s, when the government launched one of the largest public housing schemes in history to house the influx of about 2 million people fleeing Communist China. Hong Kong's social welfare system really started in 1973, when the newly appointed governor "announced that public housing, education, medical, and social welfare services would be treated as the four pillars of a fair and caring society." He launched a public housing program and by 1998, 52 percent of the population "live in subsidised housing, most of whom rent flats from the Housing Authority with rents set at one-fifth the market level (the rest have bought subsidised flats under various home-ownership schemes, with prices discounted 50 percent from those in the private sector)." Beyond public housing, Hong Kong "also has most of the standard features of welfare states in Western Europe. There is an excellent public health care system: private hospitals are actually going out of business because clean and efficient public hospitals are well subsidised (the government pays 97 percent of the costs)."
Even more facts here: http://anarchism.ws/faq/secC12.html
·Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw — 15.4 years ago, 6 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,821
+Anonymous H — 15.4 years ago, 40 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[T] [B] #15,823
@15,661 (Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw)
For fucks sake this, it's the only stable form of government. And it doesn't fuck as many shits up your ass.
For fucks sake this, it's the only stable form of government. And it doesn't fuck as many shits up your ass.
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,833
@15,820 (G)
It's the closest thing to the Libertarian ideals right now, and it's doing FAR better than Mainland China. Oh, and the tax rate of Hong Kong is only 15% flat. It just looks like good efficiency with money.
It's the closest thing to the Libertarian ideals right now, and it's doing FAR better than Mainland China. Oh, and the tax rate of Hong Kong is only 15% flat. It just looks like good efficiency with money.
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,854
@previous (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
> It's the closest thing to the Libertarian ideals right now
...where the government owns all the land and uses the high real estate prices to pay for their enormous welfare programs?
Sweden doesn’t even go that far.
> It's the closest thing to the Libertarian ideals right now
...where the government owns all the land and uses the high real estate prices to pay for their enormous welfare programs?
Sweden doesn’t even go that far.
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,880
@previous (C)
It's the fact that they allow free trade far more than any other country on the planet that makes it a good example of free-market success. Name ONE country that has more economic freedom than Hong Kong.
It's the fact that they allow free trade far more than any other country on the planet that makes it a good example of free-market success. Name ONE country that has more economic freedom than Hong Kong.
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,882
@previous (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
Your idea of "economic freedom" sounds more like a banana republic.
Your idea of "economic freedom" sounds more like a banana republic.
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,884
@previous (C)
Sure the government may own the land, the people are free to trade without inhibition from the law. That is what economic freedom is about.
Sure the government may own the land, the people are free to trade without inhibition from the law. That is what economic freedom is about.
·Anonymous C — 15.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,885
@previous (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
North Koreans are allowed to trade without any inhibition from the law.
North Koreans are allowed to trade without any inhibition from the law.
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,886
@previous (C)
I mean trade with other nations as well. The North Coreans are controlled by the government, and only the government may participate with trading.
I mean trade with other nations as well. The North Coreans are controlled by the government, and only the government may participate with trading.
·Anonymous G — 15.4 years ago, 51 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,891
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,893
@previous (G)
Somalia is a Socialist state that collapsed on itself, and is now a worthless no-man's-land.
Somalia is a Socialist state that collapsed on itself, and is now a worthless no-man's-land.
·Anonymous G — 15.4 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,914
@previous (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
Yes but the point rests. You can do whatever you want without government interference in Somalia, and that includes trade. I'm sure Hong Kong has laws that restrict what kind of goods can be traded. Therefore Somalia has more economic freedom.
Yes but the point rests. You can do whatever you want without government interference in Somalia, and that includes trade. I'm sure Hong Kong has laws that restrict what kind of goods can be traded. Therefore Somalia has more economic freedom.
+Gil !NArMoRhDhY — 15.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,919
@15,663 (Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E)
Anybody who pushes for Nicklollyoff as a mod has forgotten why he lost his moderatorship in the first place. Nick brought about the second downfall of TC under Jan's reign.
Anybody who pushes for Nicklollyoff as a mod has forgotten why he lost his moderatorship in the first place. Nick brought about the second downfall of TC under Jan's reign.
·Dutchfag !sQyDutch4E — 15.4 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,923
@previous (Gil !NArMoRhDhY)
Nick was a good mod, but he needs to use Master password.
@15,914 (G)
Yes, but Somalia has the problem of being overrun by subhuman savages.
Nick was a good mod, but he needs to use Master password.
@15,914 (G)
Yes, but Somalia has the problem of being overrun by subhuman savages.
·Anonymous H — 15.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,925
+GHOUL — 15.4 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,927
CWCVille for life!
+FUD !dLadyGAgAA — 15.4 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #15,940
In Civilization II, Communism is the best form of government.
·grey !C.MxxuCiTo (OP) — 15.4 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[T] [B] #16,005
·Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw — 15.4 years ago, 1 week later, 1 week after the original post[T] [B] #17,947
@15,919 (Gil !NArMoRhDhY)
your're just angry because I kept laughing at you and your nerdy relationship.
Also if it wasn't for me the first 3 pages would have been full of spam - I remember blocking spambots on my phone on the train because there were no other mods on and lockdown mode hadn't been put in (or it just DIDN'T WORK).
Also DM was mostly banned repeatedly due to ban evasion. Then he'd evade the ban and get banned for it then he'd evade the ban blah blah. Just following the rules I was given, bro.
your're just angry because I kept laughing at you and your nerdy relationship.
Also if it wasn't for me the first 3 pages would have been full of spam - I remember blocking spambots on my phone on the train because there were no other mods on and lockdown mode hadn't been put in (or it just DIDN'T WORK).
Also DM was mostly banned repeatedly due to ban evasion. Then he'd evade the ban and get banned for it then he'd evade the ban blah blah. Just following the rules I was given, bro.
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