Topic: English Defence league are burning mosque's and attacking muslims.
+Anonymous A — 13.3 years ago #23,035
+The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later[T] [B] #275,674
+Anonymous C — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,679
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 24 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,680
+Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,684
This would be the same English Defence League which is led by Tommy Robinson, a young man with less brain cells than a South Carolina beauty queen, who has 6 criminal convictions to his name, 4 for assault on white people, 2 for robbing elderly white women, who got torn a new arsehole by Paxman on Newsnight, and who when asked by Paxman what exactly he was defending England from had problems formulating even the ghost of an answer?
THIS English Defence League, yes?
THIS English Defence League, yes?
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+Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,686
+Anonymous F — 13.3 years ago, 9 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,687
No, one guy attempted to and got arrested, no damage or injuries caused, a bunch more are just clashing with police.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,690
@275,684 (D)
Fuck off bobby2sox. You, if you are who you say you are, is a rich white kid in a 100% white school. I bet you've never met a muslim or a nigger and you're told they are good people who are oppressed.
Fuck off bobby2sox. You, if you are who you say you are, is a rich white kid in a 100% white school. I bet you've never met a muslim or a nigger and you're told they are good people who are oppressed.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,693
@previous (A)
As a member of the superior Anglo-Saxon 'race', you may want to spend a little time learning the Queen's English, angry young virgin. Your grammar and punctuation is as disjointed as the old dear's face after Tommy Robinson was through kicking it in.
As a member of the superior Anglo-Saxon 'race', you may want to spend a little time learning the Queen's English, angry young virgin. Your grammar and punctuation is as disjointed as the old dear's face after Tommy Robinson was through kicking it in.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,694
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,696
@previous (A)
What was your arguement (sic)? You appeared to just be raving and drooling incoherently.
What was your arguement (sic)? You appeared to just be raving and drooling incoherently.
·Anonymous C — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,697
+Downie !dUMOVPEBnc — 13.3 years ago, 3 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,698
Who the fuck cares about brown people?·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 46 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,699
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 51 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,700
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,703
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,705
@275,700 (D)
I'm not racist, I'm not a Walter but I do believe Islam is a shitty religion where they makes themselfs out to be always the victim. It's funny how a man in saudi arabia can be sentanced to 300 lashes and 7 years in jail for trying to convert a Muslim woman to Christianity and no one says shit but if you pulled that stunt in the west you'll have a bunch of crazy Muslims blowing themselfs up and hacking peoples heads off. They are savages, white, black or brown.
I'm not racist, I'm not a Walter but I do believe Islam is a shitty religion where they makes themselfs out to be always the victim. It's funny how a man in saudi arabia can be sentanced to 300 lashes and 7 years in jail for trying to convert a Muslim woman to Christianity and no one says shit but if you pulled that stunt in the west you'll have a bunch of crazy Muslims blowing themselfs up and hacking peoples heads off. They are savages, white, black or brown.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 42 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,707
·Downie !dUMOVPEBnc — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,708
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 43 seconds later, 31 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,709
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 37 seconds later, 31 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,711
·Downie !dUMOVPEBnc — 13.3 years ago, 54 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,713
@275,709 (D)A book of make believe, psychotic fairy tales, which a large section of the Earth's population believe in and follow, is scary to me.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 9 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,714
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 34 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,717
@275,705 (A)> shitty religion
They're all shitty.
> blah blah something about social justice or something waffle waffle
Okay, Bobby2Comix/IcarusSox.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 19 seconds later, 34 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,718
@275,713 (Downie !dUMOVPEBnc)
Which 'psychotic fairy-tales' are you referring to in particular? Forgive me for pressing the issue but I'm sceptical you've read it, so I'm looking for some kind of sign that you have, otherwise there is little sense continuing the discussion.
Which 'psychotic fairy-tales' are you referring to in particular? Forgive me for pressing the issue but I'm sceptical you've read it, so I'm looking for some kind of sign that you have, otherwise there is little sense continuing the discussion.
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 15 seconds later, 34 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,719
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 12 seconds later, 35 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,720
@275,714 (D)
If you want to converse with me you'll need more. Is this question going to lead anywhere?
If you want to converse with me you'll need more. Is this question going to lead anywhere?
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 36 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,723
@previous (A)
Yes. It seems to me your problem is with psychotic savages rather than "all people who follow Islam". Would that be fair?
Yes. It seems to me your problem is with psychotic savages rather than "all people who follow Islam". Would that be fair?
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 11 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,725
@275,718 (D)
> little sense continuing the discussion
Then leave, bobby2sox. Stop asking questions and make a statment we can talk about. Then follow with a question, faggot.
> little sense continuing the discussion
Then leave, bobby2sox. Stop asking questions and make a statment we can talk about. Then follow with a question, faggot.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 37 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,727
@previous (A)
See my previous post. And try not to get too riled up and hot-headed, we're just having a discussion here.
See my previous post. And try not to get too riled up and hot-headed, we're just having a discussion here.
·Downie !dUMOVPEBnc — 13.3 years ago, 29 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,729
+Autphag !fvna3QzWVM — 13.3 years ago, 45 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,731
I enjoy that there is a debacle for me to spectate upon whilst I eat popcorn.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 33 seconds later, 39 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,732
@275,729 (Downie !dUMOVPEBnc)
So you haven't read it. Sweet. We're done making a mess of you, now just Anon A to go...
So you haven't read it. Sweet. We're done making a mess of you, now just Anon A to go...
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 13 seconds later, 39 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,733
·Downie !dUMOVPEBnc — 13.3 years ago, 39 seconds later, 40 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,735
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 57 seconds later, 41 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,739
@275,723 (D)
Not really. While the savages are more of a minority (within the UK) The religion as a hole is savage. Just look at saudi arabia, a rich country rules by Islam. Woman can't drive and Muslims wishing to leave the faith are faced with death from the law and within their own country. Lets not forget those "honor killings" we always read about in the UK. If they happen here then imagin how frequent they are in muslim countries, female genital mutilation, buddhist shrines destroyed because they are offencive to Islam.
Not really. While the savages are more of a minority (within the UK) The religion as a hole is savage. Just look at saudi arabia, a rich country rules by Islam. Woman can't drive and Muslims wishing to leave the faith are faced with death from the law and within their own country. Lets not forget those "honor killings" we always read about in the UK. If they happen here then imagin how frequent they are in muslim countries, female genital mutilation, buddhist shrines destroyed because they are offencive to Islam.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 11 seconds later, 41 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,740
@275,735 (Downie !dUMOVPEBnc)
Settle down Downiesyndrome, you had your chance, you've been shown to know little about what you speak. Anon A has the floor now.
Settle down Downiesyndrome, you had your chance, you've been shown to know little about what you speak. Anon A has the floor now.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 42 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,742
@275,731 (Autphag !fvna3QzWVM)As a person suffering from autism, Autphag experiences sever sensory issues related to food, and only allows his parents to feed him popcorn.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 43 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,744
@275,739 (A)> If they happen here then imagin how frequent they are in muslim countries,
Why? I don't care what happens there.
·Downie !dUMOVPEBnc — 13.3 years ago, 9 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,746
@275,740 (D)This isn't a well-organized, respectable, or reputable debate --- this is a chan. There is no silly floor.
·Autphag !fvna3QzWVM — 13.3 years ago, 4 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,747
@275,742 (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
I haven't eaten popcorn for 5 years until now.
I try to avoid any food that has been produced with Monsanto GMO-manipulated anything, living off freezedry military supply rations.
I haven't eaten popcorn for 5 years until now.
I try to avoid any food that has been produced with Monsanto GMO-manipulated anything, living off freezedry military supply rations.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 15 seconds later, 44 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,748
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 3 seconds later, 44 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,749
@275,739 (A)
And can you show me (i.e post the passages) where in the Koran/Quran it speaks about 'honor killings', women driving, female genital mutilation, and the murder of those who choose to reject the faith?
And can you show me (i.e post the passages) where in the Koran/Quran it speaks about 'honor killings', women driving, female genital mutilation, and the murder of those who choose to reject the faith?
·Autphag !fvna3QzWVM — 13.3 years ago, 12 seconds later, 44 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,750
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,752
@275,746 (Downie !dUMOVPEBnc)
You're riled up, you suffered an embarrassing humiliation, we get it. But settle down now Downiesyndrome, Anon A has the floor, you had your chance.
You're riled up, you suffered an embarrassing humiliation, we get it. But settle down now Downiesyndrome, Anon A has the floor, you had your chance.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 22 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,754
·Autphag !fvna3QzWVM — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 47 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,756
·Downie !dUMOVPEBnc — 13.3 years ago, 11 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,757
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 20 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,758
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 30 seconds later, 48 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,759
@275,747 (Autphag !fvna3QzWVM)As a person suffering from autism, Autphag likes to believe in silly little conspiracy theories that he feels make his life more exciting.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,763
@275,758 (A)
> >implying muslims follow the Quran to the letter.
>
> Oh please...
Now we're making progress. So your original statement that Islam is the problem was not entirely accurate, was it? Rather, it's psychotic savages who interpret religious texts how they please to further their own agenda, the like of which we can see among the Jewish and Christian communities in the West Bank, and in the atheist community all over the globe; indeed, in human nature.
> >implying muslims follow the Quran to the letter.
>
> Oh please...
Now we're making progress. So your original statement that Islam is the problem was not entirely accurate, was it? Rather, it's psychotic savages who interpret religious texts how they please to further their own agenda, the like of which we can see among the Jewish and Christian communities in the West Bank, and in the atheist community all over the globe; indeed, in human nature.
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·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,771
@previous (D)
No religions follow their books to the letter but they will do their shit under its banner and in the name of their God. We're not making any progress. Muslims treat non mulims within muslim countires in appalling ways then muslims who move to the west act in appalling ways towards their host
No religions follow their books to the letter but they will do their shit under its banner and in the name of their God. We're not making any progress. Muslims treat non mulims within muslim countires in appalling ways then muslims who move to the west act in appalling ways towards their host
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 55 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,774
@previous (A)
> Muslims treat non mulims within muslim countires in appalling ways
Have you lived in a Muslim country?
> Muslims treat non mulims within muslim countires in appalling ways
Have you lived in a Muslim country?
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 53 seconds later, 56 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,777
@275,763 (D)
A british woman who moved to a muslim country to be a teacher wanted to name the classroom teddybear muhammad. They tried to behead her...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case
A british woman who moved to a muslim country to be a teacher wanted to name the classroom teddybear muhammad. They tried to behead her...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 57 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,778
@previous (A)
And you think that "everyone who follows Islam" (the people you claim to "hate") has the same ideas about this kind of thing?
And you think that "everyone who follows Islam" (the people you claim to "hate") has the same ideas about this kind of thing?
·Anonymous C — 13.3 years ago, 23 seconds later, 58 minutes after the original post[T] [B] #275,779
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,783
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,787
@275,778 (D)
I'm the one supplying discussion to you, you're just asking stupid questions to strawman the arguement. Give me a reason to think that Islam isn't a religeon for savages.
I'm the one supplying discussion to you, you're just asking stupid questions to strawman the arguement. Give me a reason to think that Islam isn't a religeon for savages.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,789
@275,783 (E)
It isn't. It's simply an attempt by primitive desert tribes to explain the world they lived in, the same as The Bible, Torah, etc. What I'm trying to get at here is OP's rage at people who follow it peacefully, as 99% of Muslims do. I'm trying to get a sense of where his anger comes from.
It isn't. It's simply an attempt by primitive desert tribes to explain the world they lived in, the same as The Bible, Torah, etc. What I'm trying to get at here is OP's rage at people who follow it peacefully, as 99% of Muslims do. I'm trying to get a sense of where his anger comes from.
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,793
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 22 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,795
@275,787 (A)
You can't answer any of the questions, no? In particular I'm still waiting on the passages which talk about female genital mutilation and the right to drive. And again, try not to get huffy. You're allowing yourself to get riled up. It's just a discussion.
You can't answer any of the questions, no? In particular I'm still waiting on the passages which talk about female genital mutilation and the right to drive. And again, try not to get huffy. You're allowing yourself to get riled up. It's just a discussion.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,796
@275,789 (D)
You can follow a religion peacefully but by doing so you also brainwash your children into following the samething and they may not decide to follow it so peacefully.
You can follow a religion peacefully but by doing so you also brainwash your children into following the samething and they may not decide to follow it so peacefully.
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,798
@previous (A)
That line of reasoning applies also to every other religion. But in your OP you explicitly singled out Muslims for your hatred. I'm keen to get a sense of why that is.
That line of reasoning applies also to every other religion. But in your OP you explicitly singled out Muslims for your hatred. I'm keen to get a sense of why that is.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,799
@275,795 (D)
You're the one riled up by attacking grammar, namecalling and trying to strawman.
You're the one riled up by attacking grammar, namecalling and trying to strawman.
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·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,802
@previous (A)
Stick to the topic please, you're allowing yourself to become sloppy in your attention. Keep calm, it's just a discussion.
Stick to the topic please, you're allowing yourself to become sloppy in your attention. Keep calm, it's just a discussion.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,809
@previous (D)
> it's just a discussion
Yet you fail to join in by being passive aggressive and namecalling. Are you shaking?
> it's just a discussion
Yet you fail to join in by being passive aggressive and namecalling. Are you shaking?
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,817
@previous (A)
Another question you can't answer, huh? You sure you're not Tommy Robinson himself?
Let's try again shall we?
> That line of reasoning applies also to every other religion. But in your OP you explicitly singled out Muslims for your hatred. I'm keen to get a sense of why that is.
Another question you can't answer, huh? You sure you're not Tommy Robinson himself?
Let's try again shall we?
> That line of reasoning applies also to every other religion. But in your OP you explicitly singled out Muslims for your hatred. I'm keen to get a sense of why that is.
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,821
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,825
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,827
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,829
·Anonymous C — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,830
·Anonymous F — 13.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,832
Oh boy, an internet argument, these are always worth the effort involved.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 9 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,833
·Anonymous C — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,835
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,836
·Anonymous F — 13.3 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,837
·Anonymous F — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,840
·Anonymous A (OP) — 13.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,843
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,844
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,849
·Anonymous C — 13.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,851
@previous (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
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^ Ibid., pp. 40-2 / Ibid., pp. 151-160
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^ John Esposito(2005), Islam: The Straight Path, p.15
^ Sahih Bukhari, 2730
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^ Ahmad Ibn Yahya al-Baladhuri, Futuhu’l-Buldan, (Qumm: Manshurat al-Arummiyyah, 1404 AH), p. 73
^ Ibn Athir, Al-Kamil fi’l-Tarikh, 1st ed., vol. 2, (Beirut: Dar Beirut, 1965), p. 112
^ The names of these heads of state are: 1. Negus of Abyssinia, 2. Maqawqas of Egypt, 3. Khusro Parvez of Persia, 4. Qaysar of Rome, 5. Mundhar Ibn Sawi of Bahrain, 6. Hudhah Ibn ‘Ali of Yamamah, 7. Harith Ibn Abi Shamr of Damascus, 8. Jayfar of Amman, see Muhammad as a diplomat
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,852
·Anonymous C — 13.3 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,853
+Anonymous I — 13.3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[T] [B] #275,854
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These are the same Muslims your country took over and occupied for decades.
In the end they will take England over and run you all out to Canada and Australia.
These are the same Muslims your country took over and occupied for decades.
In the end they will take England over and run you all out to Canada and Australia.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,857
·Anonymous D — 13.3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,861
·Anonymous I — 13.3 years ago, 13 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,862
@275,857 (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
Muslims multiple at a much greater rate then Brits.
Islam will prevail & England will end up being controlled by and for Muslims.
Muslims multiple at a much greater rate then Brits.
Islam will prevail & England will end up being controlled by and for Muslims.
+Anonymous J — 13.3 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,897
@275,749 (D)
> And can you show me (i.e post the passages) where in the Koran/Quran it speaks about 'honor killings', women driving, female genital mutilation, and the murder of those who choose to reject the faith?
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
> And can you show me (i.e post the passages) where in the Koran/Quran it speaks about 'honor killings', women driving, female genital mutilation, and the murder of those who choose to reject the faith?
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
·Anonymous J — 13.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,898
@previous (J)
> > And can you show me (i.e post the passages) where in the Koran/Quran it speaks about 'honor killings', women driving, female genital mutilation, and the murder of those who choose to reject the faith?
>
> And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
> > And can you show me (i.e post the passages) where in the Koran/Quran it speaks about 'honor killings', women driving, female genital mutilation, and the murder of those who choose to reject the faith?
>
> And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 6 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,976
@275,861 (D)As far as I know, the Koran is just some medieval Arabian warlord liveblogging about his conquests. Such things are of no interest to me.
·The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY — 13.3 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,979
·Anonymous E — 13.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[T] [B] #275,981
@previous (The Doctor !7MHPahvoGY)
A lot have.
They just pray and worship idols or wtfe in different ways now.
A lot have.
They just pray and worship idols or wtfe in different ways now.
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